Charles E Brown C-119 Farnborough 1953

From Camera Above the Clouds Vol I ……51-2611 a C-119C is recorded at Farnborough 1956/1957 in the Scramble Airshow Archive…..presumably the photo-ship at that time

As a result of discussion on this forum it appears that the flying shot is of a C-119C probably 51-2611 on loan to the UK from 1953 and the ground shot is an earlier photo of a C-82

Packet and Flying Boxcar

There is now a paper on the net written by the President of Fairchild in 1950 when the C-119s had been in service for about 6 months….he refers to the C-82/C-119 Packet family and only uses ‘box-car-like’ as an attribute of the types.

Google ‘Performance Packet Quartermasters’….(can’t make a good link!!)

I think it creates error and confusion to try to impose a clear division of names (C-82 Packet and C-119 Flying Boxcar) when , as my set of ads from ebay show the Packet name only disappeared from Fairchild ads around 1953

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74784995@N00/sets/72157607328090308/

The latest added ‘Payday at the Blood Bank from 1952 uses Packet once and Flying Boxcar twice for the C-119.My feeling is that the later type should be referred to nowadays as just the C-119 as its manufacturers changed the name during the course of production

Packet vs Flying Boxcar

These are 8 dated Fairchild ads from the net showing how they used the names….I suppose they could just as well be used to show both the C-82 and C-119 are ‘Flying Boxcars’!!… My interpretation is that Fairchild preferred to call the C-82 ‘Packet’ with ‘Flying Boxcar’ as an attribute (bit like the Britannia was the ‘Whispering Giant’)….the 1951 ad when the C-119 with P&W R-4360 engines was in production calls it the C-119 Packet….the 1952 ad , about when the Wright R-3350 engined C-119F was launched calls it ‘Flying Boxcar’….what do you make of it….the C-119 was always called the Packet in the UK in the 50s-70s, the Indians and Belgians did likewise and so did the US Marines ….my favourite US nickname though is the ‘Dollar Nineteen’….Mick

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74784995@N00/sets/72157607328090308/

YB-29 Hobo Queen 1944 St Mawgan

Link to previous thread with photo from Air Enthusiast#59 on post #15

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40981&highlight=b-29+uk

Re B-36 airshow visit 1952? I’ll ask members at the West Cornwall Air Britain meeting in Penzance tomorrow….bit of a longshot! :)….Mick

YB-29 St Mawgan 1944

Google ‘Washington Times RAF B-29’ (its not the US newspaper!!)….its in issue 8 Dec2005…the Hobo Queen left Gander for St Mawgan on March 6, and departed St Mawgan for North Africa April 1 1944 after a deliberately? leisurely spell in East Anglia…Mick

G-ALUB Marathon post #11

This appears to be at LAP (LHR) alongside the early public enclosure (up to 1952)….can just see a TCA North Star behind the gent in the suit

The pilot was Cecil William Bebb and the plane was an Olley Air Services Dragon Rapide from Croydon hired by a Spanish right wing journalist in London . A British Intelligence officer with right wing sympathies and two young women travelled down to the Canaries in the Rapide as a front for the flight but returned to Britain separately when Franco was flown to Spanish Morocco

G-APZA photo

I’d not seen this old post before but was interested in the comment some way back that HG had flown Catalina G-APZA into Croydon. A number of Catalinas visited Croydon in the 1950s (four to my knowledge) but I was not aware that ‘ZA was one of them. I had thought that G-APZA was delivered into Southend ex-Rotterdam and never flew again. Was HG involved in that flight perhaps and reference to Croydon is an error? If Croydon is correct, I should be really interested to hear more.

Some years ago, I talked to Anthony Hutton of the The Squadron and he mentioned that at some point there was a plan to use the orange PBY-6A that spent some years at North Weald (before departing en route to Israel) in some sort of TV travel programme in which Hughie Green was to be involved. It came to naught.

The landscape looks wrong for Croydon….too flat….too many trees wrong sort of detached house visible….M West