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June 10, 2017 at 1:54 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #816267

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Ian …. re#141 It’s Whitchurch, neighboured by late 1930s houses see background colour photo in #5
re # 150 could be OO-AGV and it’s at Croydon
re #56 and#164 Liberators would have needed 1500m at Portela…maybe 4 runways came post-war?
re #46, #143, #144 Civil Aircraft of Yesteryear, Munson, 1967 , p83 has very similar line-up from different angle dated November 1943 (attached) , similar line up, yet another angle in Aeroplane Monthly July 1975, but dated 1943 (no month)

June 8, 2017 at 5:37 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #817163

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As far as I know there are NO photos of any airliners using Sintra in the period September 1939 to October 1942 when Lisbon-Portela opened…if there are, I’d love to see them!!

June 7, 2017 at 7:30 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #817467

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Ian….Possibly a clue…Flight says the KLM DC-2s had 14 seats (7 rows of 2)…so the DC-3 day planes would have had a minimum of 21 , and I’m sure they were 3 abreast facing forwards https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1937/1937%20-%200375.html?…

June 7, 2017 at 3:04 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #817650

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You might be able to figure out from the newsreel what the dayplane seating arrangement was for the KLM DC-3s in Western Europe…I think most likely 21 (7×3)…on the Indies route it was 12 I think

June 6, 2017 at 4:01 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #818055

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The Flamingo is likely heading for Hendon, 24 squadron. The pathe software won’t play on my Android tablet (Google technology) but Pathe have put all their online archive on youtube (Google technology)
https://youtu.be/x9VYULwnJ5U ..

The newsreel of Ambassador Winant arriving shows a KLM/BOAC DC-3 on finals
https://youtu.be/t27RTNYY-4I

June 2, 2017 at 9:27 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #819193

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There is a very good book called Rosie’s War about civilian Rosemary Say’s escape from wartime France in 1942 after being trapped there in mid 1940. She gets out via Spain and Portugal and flies back to England via Foynes on a ticket paid for by her father.The price was £35..15s..6d which is close to £35.77p. The book is in the first person but actually written by her daughter Juliana Holland. I think Miss Say flew from Lisbon on Boeing 314 G-AGBZ Bristol on the night of 9/10 March 1942 arriving Foynes morning of the 10th* then onto Poole on the 13th March either on Short G class G-AFCI Golden Hind or the shuttle C class G-AEUD Cordelia
* there was a KLM /BOAC DC-2 landplane later that night G-AGBH but it went direct to Whitchurch.
I don’t know if the fare on the flying boat route was the same as the landplane

June 2, 2017 at 4:03 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #819238

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https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/LIFE.html?id=R1cEAAAAMBAJ

Ian…About 8 years ago Google struck a deal with LIFE magazine to scan and put online the whole LIFE photographic archive, several million negatives and prints, many of which had probably not been seen ‘printed’ by their photographers let alone published in LIFE. The first site they set up for their display still exists on the net but the sesrch engine, never good, is now completely scuppered. There is a newer initiative called Google Arts and Culture where you can find Ferry Command (best using Google Chrome browser not Internet Explorer) https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/ put Life Ferry Command in the search box
Next Google Books digitized the whole printed magazine run of Life magazine and you can search and read them online …link at top…put Ferry Command in the search box and click ‘all issues’ tab..plenty of returns but the photo essay may not have been used

June 2, 2017 at 10:58 am in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #819364

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Likely completed (or converted) as a DC-3A (Pratt and Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasps) before hand-over to United…their pre-war DC-3As all seem to have had the RH door and United had corporate connections with P&W

June 1, 2017 at 3:36 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #819661

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Yes, I was wrong about G-AGID. Peter Berry’s log for Foynes refers to Catalina’s 1, 2 and 3 in November and December 1942 but by January1943 he identifies them as G-AGDA (1), G-AGFL (2) and G-AGFM (3).(I wrongly assumed the Foynes 3 was G-AGID) When they transferred to Ceylon I believe G-AGFL was marked 1 and G-AGFM marked 2. See attached Foynes log extract (EDIT, different extract)[ATTACH=CONFIG]253803[/ATTACH]

June 1, 2017 at 1:20 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #819727

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This is getting a long way from Prestwick Liberators but Catalinas 1, 2 and 3 (G-AGFL, G-AGFM and G-AGID) operated intensively between Poole, Foynes, Lisbon and West Africa between November 1942 and January 1943 before their transfer to Ceylon. Source, Peter Berry’s Foynes and Botwood logs.’4′ G-AGIE does a few trips between Poole, Foynes and Lisbon in August 1942 before transfer to Ceylon. No mention of ‘5’/ G-AGKS

May 29, 2017 at 12:15 am in reply to: Adding photos to my threads and replies on this forum. #820813

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Use an online photo resizer to get the photo reduced to about half screen size and try uploading that

May 28, 2017 at 4:52 pm in reply to: Adding photos to my threads and replies on this forum. #821033

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Easiest way…start new thread…click ikon as ringed here….add image direct from your computer…add text[ATTACH=CONFIG]253719[/ATTACH]

May 26, 2017 at 9:52 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821649

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Well a 13 year old thread on Flight 777 has come alive on pprune
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/122674-boac-flight-777a-g-agbb-01-07-43-mr-sharp-leslie-howard.html

May 25, 2017 at 12:44 am in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #822309

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KLM reportedly carried 18, 000 passengers on 1600 flights between the UK and Lisbon in WWII…Roughly 11 per DC-3 (or DC-2?). As the refugee fleet in England came from the Western European fleet and the East Indies fleet the seating may have varied initially (21?-12?) and there would have been salvageable seats from the wreck of PH-ALR at Heston in 1940

May 23, 2017 at 9:55 am in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #823112

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Remarkable that it mentions the 3 Return Ferry Service disasters of August/September 1941 so soon….
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