longshotSo presumably there was an actual leakproof tank (metal?) inside this fairing and the whole lot was dropped if required (for speed/manouvreability?)
longshotProbably already known to the ‘old hands’ but there is a Charles Rector album in the SDASM/flickr stream with RFS/Liberator content e.g.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/14334412458/in/album-72157645345042686/ Presumably the Captain Eves in the Liberator AL591 crash Gander 9Feb1943
and
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/14520979945/in/album-72157645345042686/ at Dorval? Mostly RAF serials
longshothttps://www.flickr.com/photos/biblarte/4647575074/sizes/o/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/biblarte/4647575772/sizes/o/
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?111975-Wartime-landings-in-Portugal
I think BOAC Liberators carried passengers during WWII but , yes, post-war just freight and concessionary pax. There was no reason for KLM crew to be given British passports for Lisbon , the original DC-3s on the route had full KLM interiors. There’s a newish book out on the ‘Stockholm Run’ with about a dozen pages on the use of Liberators to Stockholm….One of the RFS Libs was assigned to the route but never used, first to appear was BOAC’s G-AGFS in 1943 I think, then scores of Lib flights by the Americans from 1944
longshotlongshot, shall I send you the pdf by email?
Martin
Martin..Cancelling my PM, I switched to Chrome browser and the PDF downloaded fine…thanks anyway
longshotInteresting article:
ATFERO – The Atlantic Ferry Organization by Jeffrey Davis
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.887.8731&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Can’t get wieesso’s link to download but it leads to this promising looking thesis
https://www.ruor.uottawa.ca/bitstream/10393/35298/1/Nicklin_Sean_2016_thesis.pdf
longshotThe Lancaster conversion shown is Trans Canada’s CF-CMS which I believe was a one-off freighter conversion pre-dating the Lancastrians http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-%28Trans-Canada-Airlines%29/Avro-683-Lancaster-Freighter/1883203/L
longshothttp://www.rquirk.com/RAFLiberators/Oughton/OUGHTON%20Lib%20book%20NOTESVer1.pdf
The retention of full RAF markings on the aircraft tells us that this was, perhaps, a convenient fiction to keep the more dove-like elements in the US Congress happy. After the US entered the war, and as the RAF built up their own pool of long-range experience, it was not uncommon for RAF crew members to supplement their BOAC colleagues on the RFS flights……
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The retention of military serials on the RFS Liberators was possibly to placate the US airline lobby who would be opposed to a British civilian landplane regular service across the Atlantic. The BOAC civilian registered Boeing 314 service was presumably regarded differently as the Boeings had been purchased from Pan Am. There is plenty of evidence of commercial suspicions between the British and American establishments in the operations between West Africa and Cairo even after December 1941.
At the top is a huge pdf of comments/corrections to the Oughton Liberator book here…but steering clear of the RFS/BOAC Libs
longshotLong range types used by Churchill in WWII were Boeing 314 flying boat, Liberator (‘Commando’), York (‘Ascalon’) and Skymaster(EW399). Wing Cmdr John Mitchell serialized his account of his time as Churchill’s navigator in the 24 Squadron newsletters http://www.24sqnassociation.royalairforce.net/newsltr.htm
longshotDepends where you measure it from http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/Boeing-KC-97L-Stratofreighter-%28367-76-66%29/737206/L?qsp=eJwtjbsOwjAUQ38FeS5DBQWRDRg7wMAPXCVWW9FHdBMEVdV/J0Rs1rF8vMBOY%2BQnPmZPGASK2hYFvKgMAWbBK1BhyqralwWenN%2BTulSgvm5Px02j5NjKkCZh0niZU%2BMk8mwtfaT785u6nwWOwWZ7k96Sz1PvOWN3SNx1wfeSHYzS9VjXL/dHNJY%3D
longshotHallo RT and antoni….Any idea what happened to the NAC photo archive?….hope it’s not gone forever!
longshotWhilst with Lufthansa D-ATJG crashed (I think in Norway, and was trucked to Swissair for a rebuild)
longshotQUOTE=pmpat;2320922]Looking for information on Fokker built DC 3. Operated by KLM as PH ASM. Taken over….. . Later Lufthansa D AT JG.[/QUOTE]
First of all Fokker didn’t ‘build’ any DC-3s (or DC-2s)…..they acted as sales agent for Douglas in Europe but the aircraft were all completed and test flown in California, flown to Newark on the US East coast and sea-freighted as deck cargo with the wings removed. Fokker just re-attached the wings( and propellers) near the ports of arrival (eg Cherbourg or Rotterdam) and did check test-flights before handover.
PH-ASM was painted with nationality marks (HOLLAND) when WWII commenced then further painted orange all over plus the nationality marks to indicate neutrality…photo in link shows it painted orange…a simple automotive rear-view mirror was fitted to KLM DC-3s to give the pilot warning of any attack from the rear after a shooting incident
longshotA google search Yamamoto Miles Satyr 1936 brings up a Pdf report on the 1936 German Olympics which around p1160 tables the results of an Aviation competition ending on July 31st with Yamamoto listed 4th from last (suggesting he’d completed the competition, but had he?). Some flying deaths are recorded but not his.
http://library.la84.org/6oic/OfficialReports/1936/1936spart6.pdf
The Kenyon Collegian headline story pdf is here
http://digital.kenyon.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2743&context=collegian
The Satyr crash sounds like a classic stall surely?
Solved!
Posted today on Air Britain Information Exchange:-
“The fate of the original Miles aircraft has often been the subject of question but, from a most unexpected source, Peter Amos has finally established what happened, courtesy of Dr Alex Ellin of Teesside University, Middlesbrough – who is building a replica.
The Kenyon Collegian, the newspaper of the Kenyon College, Gambier, Ohio published the following on December 8 1936. ‘The Collegian has been awaited of this information from foreign newspapers concerning the death of WN Yamamoto, a member of the Kenyon Flying Club.’ The article went on:
“Again yesterday there was a fly accident and it took a young man’s life. The accident occurred at Kastrup Airfield yesterday morning at 11.24 (Aug 1 1936), where a 22-year old Japanese, WN Yamamoto fell to the ground from a height of 100 meters as starting for Stockholm. The young Japanese was badly crushed and died at 6 o’clock at Sundby Hospital. The young Japanese came to Copenhagen yesterday morning en route to Stockholm. He was taking part in the Olympic flying and had started from Hamburg yesterday morning to fly to Stockholm. His machine, an English “Satyr” is a very small sports machine only room for one person, namely the pilot. He landed at Kastrup to secure gasoline and oil and immediately afterwards started to fly on. Immediately after leaving the ground, he put the machine too straight up in the air. It almost completely stopped with the result that he had to dive, but as too close to the ground he crashed. Help was immediately sent to the spot where the young pilot was found quite unconscious in the ruins. As quickly as possible he was rushed to the hospital and immediately it could be seen that there was no hope. During the afternoon, he became conscious but at 6 o’clock he died.
“Eye witness to the accident tells us that when the machine hit the ground it made several hops along the ground and then collapsed. The wreckage was taken to a hangar and thoroughly examined for any fault, but as everything is badly crushed undoubtedly no opinion can be given.”
The article is accompanied by a photo of G-ABVG with Yamamoto standing alongside.
Hitherto, all that was known of the fate of G-ABVG was that it was put up for sale by Air Dispatch Ltd in August 1934 and its registration cancelled in September 1936 as withdrawn for use. It had also been reported that it was sold to a 19-year old Japanese in Belgium and who suffered a fatal crash there when he spun it in. So there was partial truth is this story – but the real answer is now known.”
longshotHi conniefreak…Trying to think of Heathrow topics I’ve come across in the last 9 months. there’s a recent book by civil engineer Ian Anderson on the infrastructure ‘Tents to Terminal 5’… Air Britain Archive articles on BEA’s move to Heathrow, the RAeS Heathrow Garden Parties in the 1930s.
Always photos going through ebay and on the photosites
Edit: the Google Arts and Culture links work best with Chrome browser
There’s a newish presentation of the LIFE photos on the Google Cultural Institute
https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/browse/kauffman%20jet
https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/browse/kauffman%20comet
https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/jet/4AFLdmndVY2GPw
longshotOne wake-up call for the British Aircraft industry was the KLM DC-2 nearly winning the Macpherson race outright in October 1934. I believe Oswald Short and his designer visited Mildenhall for the start. Imperial to their credit placed large orders off the drawing board with Shorts and Armstrong Whitworth.History might have been different if the Shorts order had been for some landplanes alongside the well engineered Empire boats, which they produced at a splendid rate in 1937.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727#Development (para2&3)
Post war the downsizing of the Trident engine is credited with crippling a generation of British airliners…the BAC One-Eleven could have stretched more had a larger engine been available….the Wikipedia page for the Boeing 727 gives a curious slant on the engine choices at the project stage, suggesting the Rolls Royce engine was first choice for 727 at one stage
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