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  • in reply to: Aeroplane Monthly April 2015….BOAC Special #888185
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    BOAC….. VC-10 vs Conway 707 vs P&W JT-3D fan 707

    Worth pointing out that all 8 of the ‘707-336s’ *delivered to BOAC before the 747s had cargo doors….this was an important part of the argument BOAC made to the Treasury to get permission to buy American (and they even avoided UK import duty on them because they claimed no equivalent UK product was available). Seems strange now but they took delivery of 3 more brand new 707s in 1971 after their first batch of 747s arrived and 2 of these were passenger only 707-336Bs purchased for the new trans-Siberian London-Moscow-Tokyo route, the last being G-AYLT a cargo 707-336C
    * strictly ‘707-336’ means ‘707-320B/C P&W JT-3D fan powered model’… BOAC had 6x 707-336C, 2x 707-336B, 2x 707-379C (Saturn Airways purchased off production line), 1x 707-365C (ex-Eagle 1968 bankruptcy)

    There’s some interesting discussion of the maximum range of various BOAC 707s below…surprisingly BOAC did operate their earlier Conway powered 707-436s London-US West Coast (just) in the early 1960s…they eventually received 20 Conway 707s including the 2 from BOAC-Cunard
    http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/377802-boac-b707-436-early-lax-operations.html

    707-336C crew training Stansted 1970….no ventral fin on this example
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    brand-new 747-136 crew training Heathrow (from Prestwick?) June? 1970…taken from the LT public bus route HattonX-Harlington Corner 🙂
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    in reply to: Aeroplane Monthly April 2015….BOAC Special #888451
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    BOAC (and Pan American) Transatlantic Flying boat Services from 1939

    I think it is established that Pan Am started a full passenger/mail/freight transatlantic service with Boeing 314s to Lisbon in June 1939 and to Southampton in July 1939. From August to September 1939 BOAC’s predecessor Imperial Airways performed 8 transatlantic experimental round-trips with Empire flying boats(flight- refuelled by Harrow tankers) and carrying mail/freight but AFAIK not paying passengers . The five non-flight-refuelled round-trips via Newfoundland by BOAC’s ‘Clare’ and ‘Clyde’ in August and September did indeed carry a few non-commercial VIP passengers with the mail/freight including Harold Balfour, ‘Wild’ Bill Donovan and the first American ferry pilots and LIFE magazine captured ‘Clare’ in colour at La Guardia, New York during the Battle of Britain, though the photos remained unpublished for nearly 70 years
    http://images.google.com/hosted/life/64c028a70b50b424.html

    It seems the transatlantic ‘service’ by BOACs Boeing 314s was somewhat of an accident resulting from their need to have engine maintenance done at Baltimore every 120 hours and (apart from carrying Churchill several times) they flew a circular winter route Baltimore-Bermuda- Azores-Lisbon-Bathurst -Lagos-Bathurst-Belem/Natal-Trinidad-Bermuda-Baltimore with a Summer route available Baltimore-Botwood-Foynes-Botwood-Baltimore and it seems commercial carriage to/from Baltimore was restricted by the U.S. authorities

    The Return Ferry Service BOAC operated with Liberators from Prestwick to Montreal and back is credited with being the first sustained landplane transatlantic ‘service’ but operated for government rather than commercial objectives.

    The Pan American transatlantic service was initially fully commercial and theoretically available to all nationalities during American neutrality prior to Pearl Harbour though one suspects increasing State Department involvement in who travelled .
    John Wilson has recently produced a paper on how the Pan Am Boeing Clippers replaced the Italian LATI South Atlantic mail/courier air service after Pearl Harbour even carrying Axis mail! (and according to Wilson initially uncensored,though censor stations were soon installed en route)
    http://www.wasc.org.uk/PanAm%20group.html
    It is noticeable from the enclosed maps that Pan Am, too, seemed to follow a circular pattern over the Atlantic, probably like sailing ships with the prevailing winds 🙂

    in reply to: Aeroplane Monthly April 2015….BOAC Special #888649
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    HorseShoe Route

    The Durban terminus and maintenance base was run by the pioneering Imperial Airways pilot Captain R. P. Mollard and it was he who flew G-AFCI ‘Golden Hind’ out to South Africa from the UK mid-war. The HorseShoe Route remained in operation till 1947 (see Canopus final group photo?) after which the Empire boats were ferried back to the UK for scrapping
    https://flic.kr/p/bUVeQ3 Golden Hind ,Durban? WWII?
    https://flic.kr/p/bUVbuE Caledonia, Durban? 1947?
    https://flic.kr/p/bVNSXj Canopus, Durban? 1947?

    Golden Hind, the last G-class boat, (Transatlantic capable but never so used) survived on the river at Rochester till 1954

    in reply to: Aeroplane Monthly April 2015….BOAC Special #889357
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    Thanks, David….perhaps I should have said ‘withdrawn’….was it actually flown by Saunders-Roe and what was the British Air Council? You sent me a photo of the crashed G-AGDA ‘Catalina’ ‘C1’ which shows the first official BOAC logo with a Speedbird over a Globe worded BRITISH overseas AIRWAYS (crop attached) . This emblem only appeared in a few other photos (of Empire boats ‘Corsair’ after rebuild, and ‘Clifton’ on completion) and on a Lodestar, and on some early BOAC leaflets and adverts….Mick
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    From an Aeroplane Monthly article by John Stroud on the Empire boats…my guess the paint job put on Corsair after the Short Bros rebuild (1940)
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    Ad for the UK-Lisbon BOAC service, 1940
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    A surprisingly late appearance of the first official BOAC aircraft nose logo (1943)
    BRITISH OVERSEAS AIRWAYS CORPORATION AND QANTAS, 1940-1945.
    BRITISH OVERSEAS AIRWAYS CORPORATION AND QANTAS, 1940-1945.© IWM (CNA 3627)

    Former British Airways managers such as Runciman favoured calling the new airline simply ‘British Airways’ but were over-ruled…. the wrangle over what the airline should be called lingered even until 1946 when a U.S. issued timetable was still titled British Airways.
    http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/ba2/ba46b/ba46b-1.jpg

    The post-war split into BOAC, BEA, and BSAA resolved the name problem but the politicking involved would make an interesting article 🙂

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    Riggs headstone in Houston

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    Wreath, Heston, 26Feb2015, with Keith (ex British Army, Barbados Army and Police) who lives overlooking the crash site

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    Sorry about short notice but I had to be sure I could get to Heston…note ALTERATION … wreath laying is by Park Entrance, Southeast end of M4 bridge, noon today.
    Re permanent memorial, we’re looking into a sponsored tree (which would include a modest plaque)

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    A wreath will be laid at noon today near the crash-site of Gaston Riggs P-51 Mustang at the north-east end of the M4 bridge, intersection of North Hyde Lane and Fern Lane

    EDIT DUE TO UNSUITABILITY OF NORTHEAST END OF M4 BRIDGE THE WREATH WILL BE LAID AT THE SOUTHEAST END INTERSECTION NORTH HYDE LANE/HESTON GRANGE LANE/HESTON PARK ENTRANCE

    in reply to: C47 / DC3 / Dakota Etc Schematic / Cutaway #895471
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    Alternatively get going with Google translate?

    in reply to: C47 / DC3 / Dakota Etc Schematic / Cutaway #895602
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    Blimey, that was hard :-)..#19 in a Google image search ‘Dakota cutaway’….twice screen-size

    http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MM/MM-163/0152-04-2-11.jpg

    Your friendly local printshop will make it into something laminated and desirable

    in reply to: Can We Mention 'Aeroplane Monthly' Now Then? #898083
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    in reply to: dh Beaver 1958 #898882
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    Did it carry it Mercury-Maia style? 🙂

    in reply to: Boeing may revive 757 #484412
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    I would think Boeing chopped the 757 because they couldn’t sell enough to get the profits from volume production and to steer customers to the stretched 737s (same way Douglas chopped the stretch DC-8 to help the DC-10…curious that they later did a re-engine program on 2nd hand DC-8s!)) .

    Didn’t the wing modifications on the 737 Classic(300-500)…NG(600-900)….MAX always proceed incrementally so they were covered by the original paperwork and tests and isn’t the central wing box out to the engines the same basic design (obviously with thicker gauges/stronger alloys/modified cut-outs and strong-points for the landing gear and engines)?

    Surely a 3rd-party re-engine program for 2nd hand 757s (like the RR Tay-727s program for UPS) would be more likely than a Boeing restart on the 757 if a suitable engine exists.

    I read in Air&Space way back that Boeing initially only expected to sell a ‘few hundred’ of the 737 -300 series because UDFs were going to take over 🙂

    in reply to: Battle of Britain new 50p coin #901088
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    Perhaps the purists are missing an opportunity….if, red-faced, the Royal mint withdraws this issue and prints new ‘correct’ cardboard covers, the erroneous ones already sold will be the ones that become valuable collectors items….. it happens in stamp-collecting……at least they got a bit closer than the makers of the ‘Battle of Britain’ film as I remember it (wrong shape Spits plus wooden acting)

    in reply to: "Air Clues" Magazine #901909
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    RAeS library at Farnborough or RAF Museum library?…Air-Britain 2nd hand books dont seem to have it

    in reply to: Saved from the scrap man – earlier today. #902964
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    If the council get bolshie tell them its a sculpture park :-)….well done!…is Flambards completely free of aviation now? I followed their Buccaneer up the A30 (in a very slow traffic queue) a few years ago

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