Thank you for that link….I hadn’t realised that Bill Boeing Sr. had severed his links with the Boeing/P&W/United AirLines conglomerate when it was broken up (1934?)….perhaps explains why he bought a Douglas DC-5 as a private plane in 1940…. my notion that Boeing is/was a more personal company than Airbus is finally exposed as groundless fantasy…I do find it weird when the TV News these days talks of ‘Chicago based Boeing’
Well there’s a handy production break in the wings just outboard of the engines if a road tow is required 🙂
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/54d42cb066f4166c.html
Don’t think there’s any waterways near North Weald
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/bdd7a78e7c8d995c.html
SP-BGK, the Electra in Jon Petersen’s atmospheric top photo force landed at Horodenka while still in Polish hands in 1939 , captured by the Russians it’s fate then becomes somewhat speculative (hence interesting 🙂 ) see under Lockheed L-10 Electra here: http://www.oldwings.nl/st/foreigners.pdf which also notes L-14 SP-BPN served as CCCP-L3453 after capture in Estonia and more exotically that the Soviets acquired a Japanese built Super Electra derivative
The Russians also acquired Bristol Pegasus powered DC-2 SP-ASK whose fate is recorded photographically. I can’t read Polish so haven’t navigated the website http://www.odrywca.pl
Strange question, but how do you make a curved fuselage frame, as fitted to an Avro Lancaster or whatever? I appreciate than huge presses were employed in mass production, but what if you only required one or two?
Large presses were less used than one might imagine….as all the responses illustrate forming sheet metal ‘frames’ was and is a hand skill (at most, semi-mechanised). Guillotining, folding, rolling, flange making byhammer or ‘flow-forming’ over exact patterns, curving with an ‘English Wheel’ did a lot of it.
I had a look through some files I was sent 4 years ago and a serious researcher in Poland sent me this:
Aircraft evacuated to Great Britain ………………………. Pilot
4.IX Lockheed L-14H Super Electra SP-BNF 1421 Długaszewski Klemens Helsinki-Stockholm-Stavanger-Perth to G-AGBG
4.IX Lockheed L-14H Super Electra SP-BPM 1494 Wysiekierski Zbigniew Helsinki-Stockholm-Stavanger-Perth
4.IX Lockheed L-14H Super Electra SP-LMK 1425 Satel Leonard Helsinki-Copenhagen-Perth to G-AGAV
Of course this doesn’t prove the 3 in the photo at Copenhagen were being evacuated, but I have another text which suggests the red&white bands were applied around the 10th September 1939 in Helsinki to keep the Finns happy…the Lockheeds were apparently suspected of doing marine reconnaissance and embarrassing the Nordic countries hosting them until the move to England around 20-22 September
LOT evacuation WWII
I’ve edited the earlier posts as I have no evidence the 3xL-14 photo at Copenhagen was connected with the evacuation.
Re the Polish book which seems to translate as ‘Aircraft of Polish Construction in Rumania 1933-1946’ does it include info and particularly photos of LOT’s Lockheeds, Ju-52 and DC-2? The latter was photographed re-marked YR-GAD suggesting it had been painted as G-AGAD before it’s delivery to Imperial/BOAC in Egypt was frustrated.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevance&text=YR-GAD YR-GAD at Marseilles
L-14s YR-BNH and YR-BPL were recorded visiting Croydon in 1945/1946 , in the period G-AGAV (SP-LMK) was on the airport dump due to corrosion.
SP-BNF, SP-BNK, SP-BPM got to England via Scandinavia/Finland (EDIT), SP-BPM destroyed in France.
Do you know if the promised book on Polish Aircraft seized/impounded in Rumania has been published?
And apologies to Jon Petersen for extending his thread
But the LOT Lockheeds (and DC-2) which routed through Rumania( heading for Egypt and Imperial/BOAC use) all got impounded by the Rumanians so never reached the Allies.
SP-BGK was the 100th Electra built possibly the reason for the 100 on the nose of the Copenhagen dock example
The only LOT Lockheeds to escape to the UK (SP-BNF, -BNK, -BPM) in 1939 flew out through Scandinavia and Finland .
I thought this photo at Copenhagen might be connected but it seems not (EDIT)
…http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?103463-Old-photos-from-Denmark-1935-1950
excerpt from SMS88 post [QUOTE=SMS88;1639409]2 old photo albums in a collectables shop in Copenhagen contain about 30 aviation 10×15 prints taken on a box brownie by a trainee pilot between 1935 and 1950
Polish Hudsons ??? at Kastrup
My money is on Lockheed 10 SP-BGK c/n 1100 being sea-shipped to LOT, waiting at CPH for trans-shipment across the Baltic to Gdynia, 1937?…see enhanced crop of nose
similar one arriving at Gdynia from the Polish National Archives (Zbiory NAC) http://www.audiovis.nac.gov.pl/ ….search term ‘samolot lockheed’
and they did sometimes leave the props on (1936 deliveries, Gdynia)
Thanks, DazDaMan…So it’s a Jurca MJ-100 Spitfire…found a little data on it: http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/acft3/93.htm
and this earlier thread http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?97955-Wooden-Spitfires
Suppose the Martin Baker MB-5 would be a good one to do (from scratch) 🙂
AFAIK Lt. Riggs was on a training flight from Fowlmere, had engine trouble at altitude within sight of Heathrow (under construction), attempted an emergency landing at Heston but crashed short on Grange Farm hitting the farmhouse at 91 North Hyde Lane. Riggs was extricated by passers-by and a police officer from Heston but was DoA at W. Middlesex Hospital. His wingman, who filed a report, landed at Northolt. The damaged house stood for several years post-war, site now under the M4. (AFAIK no take-off from Heston involved)
Are there any published reports on the performance and flying qualities of the US built replica (Allison engine. flush rivets)….did it use the original wing section or a ‘laminar’ flow section like the P-51….did it use the unique? wing spar construction of the Spitfire?….would be nice to see some facts instead of the embarrassing UK vs. US/Spitfire vs P-51 spat (though I always wondered if the P-51’s prop was superior to the Spitfires….were there ever comparative trials just on the props?)….bit of an eye-opener…if that can be built from scratch (zip/zilch?) what extinct types could be done?
Chris Howlett’s classic ‘Washington Times’ blog pdf-pages are no longer on the active internet, but amazingly the version the ‘ Web Archive Wayback Machine’ has saved includes all of Issue 8 which I wanted for the story of the ‘Hobo Queen’ , the 1st and only B-29 to pass through the UK in WWII (Issue 7&16 are also there…haven’t checked the others)
http://web.archive.org/web/20081109112843/http://www.rafwatton.info/History/TheWashington/tabid/90/Default.aspx
http://web.archive.org/web/20081010111248/http://www.rafwatton.info/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=S7i%2B60gxfv0%3D&tabid=90&mid=417