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  • in reply to: Why Did the Brabazon Committee Discard 1939 Legacy Projects? #1043746
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    The ‘long-range types’ projected in 1939 had wing sections too thick, and wing and power loadings too low even from the viewpoint of 1943. The DH Flamingo was handicapped by being about a third smaller than the DC-3 (are there any drawings of the ‘Super-Flamingo’?). The Viking, York and Hastings/Hermes derivatives of the Wellington ,Lancaster and Halifax were adequate types and even notched up a few export sales. The ‘gaping hole’ was the lack of a capable transoceanic British type not filled till the Britannia 300 ‘s very delayed service entry in 1958. Which Brabazon class did the Viscount come under?

    in reply to: “Jet! When Britain Ruled the Skies” #1072904
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    Excellent, tonights programme was far better and actually felt like it was made by a different team.
    Seemed much better researched with some great supporting period footage that was correctly choosen (ie Comet I footage when Comet Is were being talked about!).
    Only downside for me was not mentioning the fairly successful BAC 1-11, and less successful Trident alongside the VC-10, surprised at no mention of our contribution to the Concorde programme.
    The Britannia footage was superb, but the Howard Hughes story really encapsulated the British aviation industrys’ short comings.

    Yes, that was very watcheable! I don’t think BOAC could be blamed for the Britannia’s history, they’d ordered it and Bristol didn’t come up with the goods….. remarkable ,really, that BOAC took the Comet 4 after the Comet I disaster. The programme never mentioned the V1000 cancellation which BOAC was partly responsible for but why didn’t Vickers have the faith to risk to completing the prototype as a private venture?
    I suppose it was the downsizing of the RR engine for the Trident which scuppered the viable British short-range airliner business including the BAC1-11

    in reply to: “Jet! When Britain Ruled the Skies” #1078864
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    Probably need to watch part II but the point I was making was the trio of Comet , Britannia and Viscount really did ‘rule the skies’ from about 1952 to 1958 (the American types had progressed little between 1947 and 1958) ….I sometimes think things might have been different if Vickers (ie George Edwards) had been in charge of the first two programs
    The Britannia’s development time threw away its advantages (first flight Aug52, first delivery Dec55, first service Feb57)

    Re the Comet I disasters it’s worth noting the Electra crashes which were just as perplexing….and they weren’t grounded

    Don’t think it was a case of ‘perfecting’ the Britannia – it was a fine aeroplane but just eclipsed by the jets.

    Not sure any amount of refinement of the Comet could have made it competitive with the 707 either, but I’m sure someone’ll be along in a minute to dispute that.

    FD2 was the first ever aeroplane capable of 1000mph in level flight. I have a copy of the magazine ‘Outpacing the Sun’ published back then to celebrate the record and it’s personally signed by Peter Twiss. Treasured possession.

    in reply to: “Jet! When Britain Ruled the Skies” #1079213
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    When Britain Ruled the Skies (attempting to be accurate)

    1) When the Empire flying boat ‘Caledonia’ flew above Manhattan in 1937 for a LIFE photo-shoot (I’m serious)
    http://images.google.com/hosted/life/94b0fc16af17afd5.html
    2) Over UK airspace from the Battle of Britain till the V2s.
    3) Over Germany at night 1943/1945
    4) In the field of turbojet and turboprop engines from 1944-1956 (but most military airframes were inferior)…Britain Nene design flew on both sides of the Korean War
    5) In the field of turbine airliners from 1952 to 1958 (if only the Comet and Britannia had been perfected alongside the Viscount!)
    6) Possession of an Independent Nuclear Deterrent 1956?-???? (Valiant and subsequent, British made Warheads) could be said to be Ruling the Skies (as much as any other country)
    7) World Speed Record (by a big margin) Fairey Delta 2 (1956?)
    8) E.E. Lightning excelled but was it backed by adequate radar before AWACS arrived?
    9) Harrier…had the field to itself

    in reply to: Winging It.Home Front Pilots. #1079662
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    Monarch engined Battle?

    And thanks to Pprune it is suggested the Battle is powered by the Fairey Monarch H24 engine and was tested at Wright Field see previous Key thread http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=84783 posts #7 and #13

    in reply to: Airliner flight times in the old days #1080312
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    The original 707-100 had the non-fan JT-3(J-57) engine and didn’t quite have the range for reliably non-stop London-New York flights but was OK non-stop NY to LA. (Many were later re-engined with JT-3D turbofans)

    Air-India and BOAC had the bigger Intercontinental model and theirs, (-400s) ,had the RR Conway engine which was briefly the best option around 1960/1961, gave reliable London-New York non-stop range but not US West coast to Europe non-stop.

    The 707 Intercontinental was developed into the 707-320B/C of 1962 which had the JT-3D turbofan and improved wing which gave it the ‘6,000 mile’ range to fly US West Coast to Europe non-stop with a useful payload

    The 707-100 was designed to satisfy the 4,000 mile range market. This increased with the JT3 engines over 6,300 miles with later versions (max fuel). Air India and BOAC were equipped with the -400 series which had the greater range.

    Operational considerations; full load will reduce range and there may be passenger drop/collect options in the 1960s.

    London to Bombay (as was) is 4400 miles great circle, so actual flown will be more. I can see at least one stop required, and the schedules of that time indicate that.

    DAI

    in reply to: Winging It.Home Front Pilots. #1080752
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    Forgotten Pilots

    What are the US aircraft behind the Battle and where and when (and it’s shown reversed later)? An early overview in the prog showed a big base with a Lanc on it but also the Boeing XB-15/XC-105?! so where’s that? The Fairey Firefly is taxying at a camouflaged Heston

    http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz20/A30yoyo/Battle-Testbed.jpg

    http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz20/A30yoyo/ATAmysteryAirfield.jpg

    http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz20/A30yoyo/ATAHestonFirefly1.jpg

    http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz20/A30yoyo/ATAHestonFirefly2.jpg

    in reply to: Airliner flight times in the old days #1081076
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    The London-Karachi record was taken by a PIA Boeing 720B on delivery in 1962 (probably unbroken today) and John Stroud recorded it all
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IOGCd7QreKgC&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=PIA+Boeing+720B+London+Karachi&source=bl&ots=phg9A0RN3G&sig=PX4aG-a-uQg6qlb75pHADFSt95M&sa=X&ei=DtY0UOKVGoeY1AWO04CwCA&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=PIA%20Boeing%20720B%20London%20Karachi&f=false

    In addition to the slight drop in average cruise Mach number(isn’t that set mainly by ATC?) present-day check-in/security times have ballooned since the Sixties (gone are the days when you could wave your ticket, passport and hand baggage at the check-in desk at Amsterdam and run through the piers in 5 minutes for the London Trident (or Electra or DC-9 or DC-8…..)

    Looking to see if non-stop commercial flights London-Australia existed (not yet?) I found
    http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Qantas%201st%20England-Aust%20non-stop%201989.htm

    and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight

    A bit earlier that you asked, but I was a passenger on the record-breaking flight LHR to Karachi in 1955. We flew in a L1049G Super Constellation of Pakistan International Airlines and took 17 1/2 hours with one stop at Cairo. A fascinating flight for a schoolboy.
    Chris

    in reply to: Great Scoops From Flickr And LIFE Archive #1082525
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    Ah yes,thanks, the Boeing…..did they see combat against the Japanese?

    in reply to: Great Scoops From Flickr And LIFE Archive #1082892
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    What’s this handsome warbird?

    In the Philippines December 1941 by Carl Mydans on LIFE
    http://images.google.com/hosted/life/e4125c2f8a79d65e.html

    in reply to: Just noticed while watching 'Dr Strangelove'.. #401008
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    As long as you didn’t drink the water 🙂

    in reply to: Museo de Aeropuertos y Transporte Aereo, Malaga #484804
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    Nice bit of product placement in the side-on Iberia Dak shot 🙂

    in reply to: Farnborough Monday 9/7/12 #486098
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    I like the helicopter trio…..quite worrying! 🙂

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    Yes, you’re right about George Bush II…he had flown F-102s in the A.N.G…..Churchill had taken flying lessons (a lot!) but never went solo and abandoned instruction after a 1919 training crash at Croydon which he survived.

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    Well I never thought I’d find myself defending Churchill but I don’t think George Dubya Bush was in the same league regardless of the leather pilot’s jacket

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