Remarkable quality….well done for posting the link!
Southend in the early Seventies
British Air Ferries were shifting their business somewhat towards passengers rather than vehicles, hence the use of aircraft like Viscounts and DC-4
G-AXAI BAF Carvair ‘Fat Albert’ 1973
G-BANP ex Spanish DC-4 operated by BAF 1973
G-AVIW BAF Viscount Ex Alidair 1973
F-BRPT T.A.R Carvair ‘Big Joe’ 1972
G-AREK BAF Carvair ‘Porky Pete’ 1973
G-ASHZ BAF Carvair ‘Maasbrug’ 1972…leftover Carvair nose from production by boundary…Moormanair DC-3 being scrapped after crash
When the BEA Viking fleet was sold off from about 1955 several went to West Germany which had to wait till ten years after WWII before it was permitted to operate aircraft. As well as forming the first equipment for German charter operators, Lufthansa had one as a freighter, pics on here…http://www.save-a-viking.org/de/vikings_d.html
I suspect that Boeing couldn’t make 757s at production rate that was really profitable and preferred to sell 737s which they could make money on (-900 had been launched)…they fetch a good price now for conversion to freighters apparently
An excellent and most beautiful airliner….weird that Boeing took it out of production….and unique in the way it was launched in parallel with the 767
KLM Tails
This is broadly the history from about 1959-1973, KLM tended to introduce a new scheme with a new type
RWB=red white blue rudder /diagonal stripes _horizontal stripes
Convair 340 RWB /
DC-6/A/B RWB /*
DC-7C RWB / _
Viscount RWB /
Electra / _
DC-8 shortbody / _
DC-8-63 _ then as 747/DC-10
DC-9 _ then as 747/DC-10
747 new white top scheme , crown on white tail
DC-10 new blue top scheme
NLM F-27 seem to have started with DC-10 based scheme
First 747 delivered in early 1971, first DC-10 delivered 1973
(* / Possibly only on PJ- DC-6s)
Corrections appreciated 🙂
WW2 SAAF desert war photos
The thread header should read SAAF rather than RAF as the text with the photos is written from the SAAF perspective and when RAF postings are mentioned they are described as ‘with xyz Sqdn RAF’ .
A few DC-6s as promised, 4W-ABP at Shannon, F-BHVA at Dublin, OO-RVG just airborne from Southend, MM61965 at Northolt, MM61923 at Gatwick, TF-ISC at Heathrow and PJ-DPB at Amsterdam. Quality of scans a bit patchy but hope you like them.
Interesting set, Argonaut…is that TAI aircraft a DC-6 or a DC-6B with the forward windows blanked off?…I’ve just posted some Stansted fire-dump photos from 1973 on the Historic thread http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=1859836&posted=1#post1859836
Stansted Dump 1973
Called in on the way back to Heathrow from Bentwaters Air Show
Burnt Britannia
CL-44 RAF roundels G-ATZH
Britannia G-AOVJ ex Caledonian, BOAC
Comet XA-NAP originally BOAC’s G-APDR
Viscount G-ATVR ex Channel Airways
Dove MTCA G-ALVS ex-CAFU
Dove ex ETPS
View
View incl 2 DC-7Cs
Well the Argonaut was a bit more productive than the Lancastrian!, faster than the DC-4 and pressurized, and the rate at which Canadair cranked them out was a great relief to BOAC….I used to fancy I could tell the engine note of the Argonaut (a little smoother) from the York as a spotter in my schooldays.
Tallmantz Cameraship B-25 N1042B Heathrow 1972
Looks like Pan Am removed the long range bomb-bay fuel tank to fit the camera rig?





And abpic has a shot of the camera rig demo’d at Old Warden
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1040883/
I had to start with Argonauts an aircraft that looks like a DC-4 and sounds like a Lancaster, does it come any better ?
A DC-6? 🙂 Or compromising a Canadair C-5 🙂
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Reading the above definitions suggests the ‘Couple of Olduns’ thread should be in historic aviation. A split between Civil and Military means posting Stratocruisers on one thread and KC-97s on another but that’s no problem, really.What’s a good definition of historic? Pre-2010?
I would argue that more military aircraft were derived from civil types than the other way around as recently suggested….debate and discuss!
[QUOTE=VeeOne;1858370]Wow! Caravelles across the oggin? That is a feat of faith in two little 1950s jet engines! I flew in a Caravelle once and it was a bit rickitty, the seats would have not looked out of place in an Auster (very similar, in fact, alluminium poles and leather).
I’m amazed, too, about transatlantic Caravelles with payloads! It seems they used the model 10B which had the P&W JT8D (DC-9/727/737) engine.
From the Alexandre Avrane Caravelle book p93….
‘In December 1971 a Sterling -10B became the first Caravelle to cross the Atlantic with a commercial payload, when it flew from Oslo to Gander (Newfoundland) with 99 passengers,a distance of 2650 miles(4,200km) in 5hr 33min, thus inaugurating a series of charter flights to North America.’
The Flight Global 1973 article on Sterling has a nice route map including New York, Toronto and Chicago and suggests around 50 transatlantic harters were flown by Caravelles in 1972 and intriguingly mentions Bradley Field being used for New York
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1973/1973%20-%201865.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1973/1973%20-%201866.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1973/1973%20-%201867.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1973/1973%20-%201868.html
Things to do with old Stratocruisers
I like those rarer Scandinavian DC-6s, teddymax!
The Israelis converted several ex-Pan Am Stratocruisers to freighters, 4x-FPX at Gatwick 1970 had a side door but a couple had swing-tails….the most radical conversions were the Aero Spacelines Guppies which used parts from about 3 Strats for each guppy…Aero Spacelines built N212AS for Airbus , but their last 2 were constructed by UAT/Aeromaritime at Le Bourget

Delivery of N212AS via LHR 1973

