The replica Empire Flying Boat will be the dream of a lifetime I would guess! That’s some project!
[DH86 and S23 will be full sized. That means they can never be fully assembled in my workshop. The S23 poses some challenges, and will need engineering input, but should be quite striking. It will float in a purpose-built harbour.
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Would the FC.1 (4x1000hp) have been much of an improvement over the A.W. Ensign(4x850hp in MkI).It could be argued that British pre-war airliners were crippled by lack of decent powerful engines….puzzling,too, that the Cyclone variant purchased to re-engine the Ensign was the 950hp version not the most powerful availble at 1200hp.
I would agree about Lockheed’s talent and lack of necessity to steal ideas, but wasn’t it the British Hudson order that saved Lockheed (and the L14 series) financially?
[QUOTE=J Boyle;1669334]Lockheed, with its talent and money wasn’t likely to steal from a smaller UK firm.
MTCA guides Heathrow
When I went on those spotters bus tours round the BOAC/BEA hangars at Heathrow around 1956 we used to give the MTCA guides a hard time when they mis-identified BOAC Hermes as Argonauts and vice versa. The guide you had must have been an ex-Fairey man. What a talented company it was!!
[QUOTE=mike bb;1669181]On one of the coach tours of Heathrow that used to be offered in the spacious days of the 1950s the tour guide said with great confidence that the Lockheed Constellation was based on a design by Fairey Aviation.
Splendid jobs, both! Do you produce moulds at the same time or are they once only ‘scratch-builds’?
What scale will the DH-86 and Short S.23 Empire be?
Prototype DH86 from Getty
http://tinyurl.com/3xom3ql
Flight global again, JDK,
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1939/1939%20-%201037.html?search=lockheed 14 slots heston
and referring to ‘rough’ drawings for slots
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1939/1939%20-%201865.html
Have PM’d you….longshot
Longshot – thanks, I wasn’t aware of that.
Can you point to data with detail please?
JDK…The Lockheed 14 wing was modified in service to improve low speed handling with permanent slots near the wingtips, and done posthaste by British Airways Ltd at Heston on theirs in advance of the Lockheed drawings…perhaps the FC.1 was a bit like the original DC-4E (but smaller)
Lockheed were planning the ‘Excalibur’ (which developed into the Constellation project) to follow the Lodestar around the time of the FC.1, I think.Johnson was in England around 1938 working on the Hudson version of the L.14 so would have been aware of the FC.1 The Kelly Johnson article was in Flight in April41 http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1941/1941%20-%200959.html?search=clarence johnson wing loading
I would have said the Constellation benefitted more from the great leap forward of the B-29 design.
If there was any technology transfer it would have been the other way….Kelly Johnson publicly spelled out the advantages of a high wing-loading (with generous flaps) in a Flight article about 1943
Fabulous…well done. Lingus ATR and Flybe Twin Otter my faves
I note that my posts #5 and #7 refer to subtly different aspects of the Flight Global resource for the Bristol 138A 🙂
While you’re on this frequency JDK I noted some RAAF photos you put on WIX
http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17715&view=previous
I think they’re all taken in the Near East (Syria/Lebanon) where the Australian led force defeated the Vichy French garrison. The tall white control tower top pic I think is Rayak
I also found this interesting set by digging around on Google images for ‘Farman aeropostale’
from ‘tutu’ on aviation-ancienne site
(there’s an interned Beaufighter in there!)
http://aviation-ancienne.forumactif.com/front-mediterraneen-afrique-f70/armee-air-afn-1942-t6000.htm
and these
http://www.bibert.fr/Joseph_Bibert_fichiers/Depart_Levant.htm
and from the pilot-prives site
http://pilotes-prives.biz/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5587&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45
plus l’armee de l’aire
http://www.traditions-air.fr/
That’s your days viewing , chaps…..longshot
It was a 747SP N4522V flying for the Taiwanese China Airlines which is believed to have exceeded Mach1 in an uncontrolled dive ending in a 5g pullout…it was repaired…
Wasn’t the story behind the flight and the press-release that Douglas had selected an unsatisfactory wing section for the DC-8 and it was having to be considerably modified to meet cruise speed , range (and sales!) targets hence the press blitz.
Might be interesting to note other alleged supersonic moments for subsonic airliners… wasn’t there was a Chinese 747 in the nineties over the Pacific and possibly the PanAm 707 which had dived 30,000ft over the Atlantic in 1959 (and some weeks lost an outer engine crew training over N.France)
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1178049/
And the RAF Museum’s navigator brings up some ground shots at Langley in these 9 pages
http://navigator.rafmuseum.org/results.do?view=lightbox&page=3
Stephen Greensted’s flickr photos about his father Brian and Skyways feature Langley and Heathrow in the 40s
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7691137@N06/with/3500565119/