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May 29, 2007 at 10:08 am in reply to: Concorde to fly again?? #1292959

gordo
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This will be one of these things that come sup ever 6 months ; Someone decides that they can fire up a Concorde and fly it again.

A small (non exclusive) list of why nots:

•No Spares (Vulcan had 80T of ex RAF spares, All BA and AF were auctions/scrapped)
•Majority of OEM overhaul facilities scrapped, inc those for the engines.
•All specialised tooling and test kit scraped/sold
•No Type support for Airframe
•No Type support for powerplant
•Airbus Want nothing to do with Concorde
•BA Still own their aircraft and will not let them fly.
•The museums have the aircraft on long term loan, and would lose revenue streams.

Get it? The task to fly Concorde again would be probably a factor of 10 bigger than the vulcan.

Another argument : If someone had £15M would we not like to use that to put the UK Concordes undercover and safe for future generation, rather than get excited about seeing it fly again for 10 years?

February 15, 2007 at 11:40 pm in reply to: lovely tribute to concorde #1300495

gordo
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Even the exhibition of the pictures in London was cancelled! Crap idea for a book, was not representative of what really happened in the long summer of 2003

January 28, 2007 at 10:10 pm in reply to: Concorde and Trident powered up again. #1320560

gordo
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“Powered up” might be a bit strong a work for Concorde….Its amazing what can be accomplished with a 12V lighting transformer 🙂

January 5, 2007 at 11:58 pm in reply to: G-AWZK at MAN – An update (with 2 big photos!) #1251584

gordo
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I’ve never worked for BA or in the aviation industry.

The crux of the matter in my view is that in the case of a lot major museum exhibits they are not owned by the museums, but on loan. Museum ethics then ensures that the museum they are on loan to look after them as part of their of loan agreements for the articles.

The RAF museum should have been resourcing the preservation of the BA collection. They were given to cosford in preference to other museums as they offered what at the time we can suspect was the best plan to look after and display them. Sadly they lost interest over the years and decided to concentrate on their RAF heritage.

they used the we did not get a Concorde excuse to get rid of the collection….well all I can say it thanks god we did NOT give them a Concorde if that was their attitude.

The bigger issue is that in the Uk we struggle for a dedicated National aviation museum that does look after our heritage. There are a lot of museums and parks that do a fantastic job, but there is not proper funding or co-ordination programmes to ensure our heritage IS wholly preserved for the future.

January 5, 2007 at 2:37 pm in reply to: G-AWZK at MAN – An update (with 2 big photos!) #1252123

gordo
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You’re a BA employee aren’t you Gordon, so I understand the need for this post, but it certainly doesn’t reflect reality.

Nope, don’t work in the aviation industry.

Any museum given an airframe, no matter how big or how small, has an ethical responsibility to attempt to look after it. Don’t think Cosford ever lifted a finger in recent years, let alone a paint brush.

January 4, 2007 at 7:53 pm in reply to: G-AWZK at MAN – An update (with 2 big photos!) #1252706

gordo
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Great Progress, I big step forward from 6 months ago when I was last up there.

Really looking forward to seeing her like her old self 🙂

Its important not to plant the Cosford blame at BA’s door. In fact BA went out of their way to ensure some of the airliners were preserved. The people at the RAF museum decided years ago they had no need for civil airliners in their collection, so stopped caring for them. They were in a hell of a mess.

Only today, another step forward took place in the restoration of the VC10 with the 2 sections being lined up at Brooklands, in what will be a unique exhibit that shows the aircraft off in a completely different fashion to others around the country.

December 4, 2006 at 10:43 pm in reply to: Concorde at Heathrow #1283098

gordo
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The BGI hangar has been repaired with Concorde back inside for 18 months.

Work with 2 local and 2 Canadian companies to put on a special exhibition is at an advanced stage. Opening was scheduled for Nov 06, but will now be spring 07….pace of life in the Caribean is not what it is elsewhere!

October 24, 2006 at 11:13 pm in reply to: G ARVM #1332345

gordo
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A lost opportunity, Brooklands

See thats where you are wrong, this will be a unique interpretation on the VC10 story, a big piece of the Brooklands history.

Sometimes to go and do something different actually becomes more interesting.

October 11, 2006 at 9:47 pm in reply to: Brooklands #1255107

gordo
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For Concorde read “always open”

Only times she would be closed would be for essential engineering work which would be published on the websites

October 6, 2006 at 10:03 am in reply to: Concorde at Heathrow #1262438

gordo
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Its the salty atmosphere in that area that gives cause for concern. She needs to be isolated from it

October 5, 2006 at 10:04 pm in reply to: Concorde at Heathrow #1262919

gordo
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A few points

BA engineering look after the a/c, certain steps have been take to preserve the airframe.

Aircraft appearance team clean here pretty regularly

She was used to store out of hours engines in here bays before they were given to museum, hence the ballast in the front hold….its plastic sealed hi-life mags!

No Concordes have any significant fuel in them, Filton have 3T of ballast in forward hold. Cofg is only and issue with 4 engines fitted.

G-BOAB will move to T5, but airside, when it opens.

G-BOAB had the majority of her interior removed in 2002 for the Project rocket upgrade in 2002 (New toilets,galleys, wardrobes etc..), new fitting were in the process of being fitted when the work was halted pending Concorde’s retirement. Part of her pre-project rocket interior is now fitted inside G-BBDG at Brooklands.

BA’s retirement plan was to use G-BOAB as a marketing device at LHR and G-BBDG as a publicly accessible Concorde in the south east in a Museum environment. they had 8 Concordes on the books, but with only 7 interiors….and you could not expect any museum to restore G-BBDG without being able to fit an interior that allowed public visits and therefore a revenue stream.

The Concorde that need an eye kept on is G-BOAD in New York!

September 24, 2006 at 9:05 pm in reply to: Smithsonian, Washington #1281135

gordo
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Book ahead on the Amtrak (Acela Express) to go down from NYC, its about a 3-4hr trip from memory

Free Bus from the Mall to Dulles. Allow a full day for each.

September 13, 2006 at 2:11 am in reply to: Concorde Engine Removal #1296543

gordo
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The actual reason they were removed from AD was so the a/c could be lifted up over the airport fence and swung onto the barge.

Intrepid have 2 of the engines, the other 2 were still at JFK the last I heard.

FB in germany and AA in the UK also had their engines dropped out before being transported.

All the others still have them. CofG is not a problem, all the museums were required to put 3T of ballast in the front hold, in service the ballasting was done with fuel.

AB at LHR was used for a while in 2002 to ‘store’ engines, as she had been de-fueled the old high life mags were put in there, but now with no engines she sits a little bit more nose down than she should

August 31, 2006 at 1:00 am in reply to: Vulcan XH558 discussion thread #1318094

gordo
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Whats great is that its the work of the Volunteers at the Vulcan to the Sky club that really got the finger out and raided the money needed for the appeal, where the people at Vulcan to the Sky Trust (the people actually running the show) were failing miserably.

Well done to everyone involved in what turned out to be a close shave……and I guess a big thank you to those on here who had faith and pledged whatever amount they could

August 18, 2006 at 12:33 pm in reply to: The (even more) merged Vulcan thread once again. #1335355

gordo
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Nobody here is asking for any money right now to be donated.

They are asking you for a pledge that if the project is moving forward to success you will play what you pledged.

The discussions here on the if and what nots will no doubt continue, but if you want to give this project any chance of success here is the link again.

http://www.vulcan558club.com/pledge_form.asp

If you just want to talk up the chance of failure maybe you should find somewhere else, lets all give this a chance. From £5 to £500, ever pledge counts
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