If a F-22 can take out 5 F-15’s that means it’ll take out at least 12 typhoons! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Where do you think JSF would be without UK technology?

No FCS for the STOVL version, for starters, and both engines would be the poorer.

Shouldn’t you be thanking us?

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rolls Royce bought Allison and they were working on that tecnology long before Rolls was in the picture! Rolls and GE gave their engines away and 2 million dollars per engine to have them hung on the 787! Rolls is going to have a big suprise in a few years and remember you heard it here first! JSF isn’t going away! 😮 😮 😮

I don’t think the US is worried about the UK government or the RAF and RN leaking secrets. I think the concerns stem from companies like BAE and EADS having relationships with each other, as well as burgeoning relationships with China and Russia.

I agree with you Terrell! IT isn’t going to happen! They are just going to get what they paid for and people are working hard to see it doesn’t happen!

…True, but this is a press release and (take it from someone who writes them for a living) press releases are always couched in terms try to keep as many people happy as possible. This bit:

‘…but without the technology transfer to give us the confidence to deliver an aircraft fit to fight on our terms we will not be able to buy these aircraft. I am spelling this out because it is so important to make our intentions clear’

…is actually very strongly worded for a document like this – the media know how to read between the lines of statements like these (they also know how to blow them out of all proportion). If you only got your information from press releases you would think that everything was rosy with the world all the time. I think there are some signals in this one that represent a line in the sand.

If it was me writing it, and I thought everything was basically OK, I would have written it as something like ‘there are many issues with technology transfer that remain to be established before the MoU can be signed, but these negotiations are necessary to ensure that the UK’s best interests are represented’ or something lie that. Unequivocal statements are quite rare.

Agree! There is alot of screaming and yelling behind closed doors and everone is working hard to shoot this program down! Or in the U.K. case sway a decision.

The U.S. does not owe the UK anything. Allison built the lift fan! So they put RR on the building so what! We gave them the design to build it. Hard headed english! That’s probably why the French told the UK to get lost when the were going to build a fighter with them. No wonder the french have a dislike for :rolleyes:

“They can take back their EH-101 also.”

1. It won VXX fair and square. Don’t kid your self it was a gift over this JSF thing[b]

2. F-16, F-15 and F-22 with their carrier capabilities? Our Country doesn’t have problems obtain carrier aircraft

3. It has NOTHING to do with manufacturing our own F-35s for sale to other nations, nor even with having the right for the UK to compete for integration, upgrade, support and sustainment work on other people’s JSFs. Sure it does you guys sold the Spey jet engine to the Russians

We are asking for no more than the US would quite rightly expect on Merlin. Don’t even go there with the merlin! You guys would have gave anything to anyone who would help you when the Germans were kicking your can.

We should be entitled to expect some help on this, since we paid up front to be a tier one partner, and since the aircraft was developed using plenty of UK Intellectual Property, and since (regardless of how many JSFs we buy) we will be building the back end of every single JSF that flies.

Lord Haa HAA can complain all he want but it won’t happen as the JSF work you have now as well as the EH101 work could evaporate so he is putting on a good show. You are only getting what you paid for and no more. I hope W just gives your money back and takes all of the work with it.!

Hell let them go. Why should we give in to blackmail just so they can incorporate our best stealth technology into their industrial base and use it to compete with us?

The Typhoon is a failure! If not why would they be so worked up about JSF. I say we give them back their 2 Billion and let them buy something from France! They can take back their EH-101 also. 😡