I can also see the Belgians giving up their combat aircraft component all together.
Wikipedia isn’t that bad. Sure, it may be under par when compared to industry-specific and proprietary data, but to say it is unreliable is a bit of a stretch. Many folks don’t have access to industry info and Wikipedia is a good starting point for many web-based searches.
This is providing a very big ‘if’, the USAF decides to commit the F-22A to combat. The way things are going, it will probably not see combat in the near future. The F-15 and the F-22 would only ever face off against one another if the U.S. were to attack Russia. The U.S. is not going to do that. Why? Russia still has nuclear missiles pointed at Washington. The MiG-31 will probably never be exported, so the USAF will never encounter it over the skies of Iran or North Korea. Not too many nations have the money to invest in such a one tricky pony for their air arms. The MiG-31 may be a fine interceptor, but it is not the super fighter mig-31bm claims it is. I think the MiG-31 from the movie “Firefox” is what he/she has in mind.
It will be a while before such a question can be answered. This war could last for many years. Damascus could wind up looking like Beirut in the 1980’s. Let’s all hope it does not, but only time can tell. After that, what kind of shape will Syria be in to acquire such articles? It is just too early to tell. I, personally, do not think the Assad regime will make it through the conflict, but that is just my two cents.
no but it possible from 80K feets to 100 or 125K feets , the highest flying aircraft is mig-25 not SR-71
The highest air-breathing jet record is held by the Ye-266, a MiG-25 prototype. The production foxbat did not have that performance, besides the blackbird was faster.
read post #22 USAF have observed Foxhounds fly at mach 2.6 ( which is even faster than the top speed of F-22 )for 650 miles ,while the F-22 can only do 100 nm of supercruise at mach 1.7 that show you how inferior the F-22 is ( PAK-FA isnot much different and F-35 is even worst )
yeah F-22 is stealth while mig-31 isnot however mig-31 have L-band radar + IRST so stealth will not be a problem , not to mention the higher altitude help it see the target where their RCS is biggest so i impossible for F-22 to sneak in invisible
how could the F-22 kill the target if it’s missiles can’t even turn at that altitude , ok let assume that mig-31 can only cruise at 70-80K feet rather than 125K feet it still doesn’t matter aim-120 with very small fin will not be able to turn at all at that altitude ( remember that most aircraft can’t fly at that altitude and they obviously have bigger wing to body ratio than a missiles how do you expected missiles with tiny wing to turn ? ) and what if mig-31 do a zoom climb when the missiles is coming ?
I suppose you are going to tell me the MiG-31 can do a zoom climb from 125,000′ to the reaches of space. LOL. The SR-71 didn’t even operate at 125,000′ on a routine basis.
how the f-22 can shot down the mig-31 if it’s missiles can’t even turn at the altitude where mig-31 is flying ? , and mig-31 have L-band radar + IRST so stealth will not be a problem , not to mention the higher altitude help it see the target where their RCS is biggest
Like I stated before, the MiG-31 is not going to fly and fight at 95,000′. Anyone who believes that the MiG could even hide at that altitude is dreaming. Back in reality, the MiG-31 and the F-22 would find themselves at comparable altitudes. The F-22 would cruise in at supersonic speed and hit the MiG before the pilots even knew what happened. The MiG-31 cannot super cruise and does not possess anti-radar capability like the F-22. It is tough to hit something you can’t see coming…
That model of MiG-31 was a one-off prototype and not put into production. Comparison made in this thread have been against aircraft that are in actual production and squadron service. We could always bring out the F-22A vs. the upgraded MiG-31BM and I still say the fight is over before the MiG-31 knew what hit it.
MiG-31 is not 6th gen obviously, but i believe its charactheristics mostly are. A time will come where technology will come to a level thath missiles will really do what they are supposed to do and maneuverability will become obsolete. Next gen fighters, as a result, will be very much like MiG-31, supersonically cruising flying bricks with long endurance, great sensors and missiles, use long range missiles to take out other targets at BVR, use HOBS missiles with 360 deg coverage in WVR; and efficiently drop high precision weapons at high speed/altiude.
The same happened to the U.S. in Vietnam. F-4’s were missile carriers that were easy targets for VPAAF MiGs. The Navy created Top Gun as a way to re-orient pilots to dog fighting.
The AIM-120D is reported to have a considerable range over its stablemates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM#Air-to-air_missile_versions
I remember that airplane!
service ceiling and top speed of an f-15 ( or any other fighter like f-22 , PAK-FA , Typhoon , f-35 ) is way lower than mig-31 , they are not designed to work as an intercepter , and to be fair mig-31 may cruise at 90 K feet only that still make it invulnerable to AA missiles ( just the same as the SR-71 )
The F-15 and its successor are more than capable of intercepting aircraft. They are also capable of engaging them in actual air to air combat vs. making an offensive pass or two. The eagle’s combat record speaks for itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izIClWYKK1o even the mig-25 can cruise at that altitude , there no reason why the mig-31 can’t, the max altitude of mig-31 is about 125k feets
first mig-31’s missiles (r-37 , r-40 ) have much bigger wing compared to aim-120 or r-77 so they are more suited for high altitude , secondly , since f-15 cruise at much lower altitude where the air is denser it will be easier for mig-31’s missiles to maneuver while a missiles fired at mig-31 willnot only have to climb up( lose energy ) but also have more trouble maneuver due to thin air
125,000′ is pure dreamland. I don’t think it could do that stripped and empty with only a single pilot on board. Eagle has a faster climb rate anyway.
The MiG-31 might be able to reach 90,000′, but it is not going to cruise and fight at that altitude. If you are right, then the MiG-31’s own missiles would not work at that altitude either. If that is the case, what’s the point of hiding out at that altitude? You have to come down sometime, even if only to refuel. I think the MiG-31 would be more like to fly its mission in the 60,000′ area of altitude. An F-15 can deal with that and despite not having long range missiles, would make a deadly opponent.
I’d like to see Canada wind-up with the F/A-18F. It is a natural fit. They already operate the predecessor and, from what I understand, the transition between the two types isn’t that significant. The F-35 is nice, but in the frozen wilds of Canada, two engines can mean the difference between life and death.