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May 19, 2012 at 2:16 am in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304146

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I would put up one F-22 for every five JF-17s. In the raptor’s favor.

May 19, 2012 at 1:59 am in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304155

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that’s not very smart.. what if a pilot defects with his F-22? the US has a history of pilots defecting to Cuba.

the Cubans could get their hands on it and produce El Veintidos Socialistas

The Cubans are smart, but they could not reverse engineer an F-22. It would wind-up back in the U.S. If they can make demands for us to return a MiG-21bis and MiG-23BN, then the raptor would be back home real soon. Or, an airstrike would destroy the aircraft on the ground.

May 19, 2012 at 1:52 am in reply to: Polish military thread #2304159

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LOL

Oh I get it!

PAF – Polish Air Force.

Just for reference must people regard the Pakistan Air Force as the PAF, I believe the Polish air force call themselves the WLiOP.

May 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm in reply to: Polish military thread #2304466

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Trainer replacement?

Do you think the PAF will replace it’s Iskra trainers with BAe Hawks, or the M-346?

May 18, 2012 at 9:14 pm in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304474

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Friendly?

F-22 is not for sale because its not made anymore. Maybe one day it could be restarted then offered to friendly countries like Saudi Arabia, Poland, Kuwait, or Turkey

I am not so sure I would consider the Saudis ‘friendly’. The RSAF, UAE (maybe), Japan and possibly, albeit remotely, Australia would be good candidates for the F-22. I think a pig is going to fly before new raptors ever roll off any assembly line again.

May 18, 2012 at 9:11 pm in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304481

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For one, I think there is no financial market for it. Many air arms want the F-22, but cower at the price tag. The act of building more for export wouldn’t lower the price that much. The U.S. subsidizing the cost for even our closest ally is nothing a senator or member of congress wants to justify to any committee. Secondly, the tech in the Raptor hasn’t been cleared for export. I wouldn’t sell it abroad either, just like the F-117, the SR-71 and the F-106 way back when.

May 18, 2012 at 9:07 pm in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread – 19 #2304519

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Eastern Germany was better off being East Germany.

Lufthansa can never replace Interflug

thats why so many East Germans are angry and bitter.

Ever been to East Germany when it was so? For me, as an American, it was a scary place that I just wanted to leave. I was there as a teenager a couple of years before the wall fell, visiting family. I was watched considerably.

May 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304523

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True Indeed. I guess the stealthiest aircraft would be these since they are closest to the shape of a ball, Plus the waves would just pass through …

What about the baskets?

May 18, 2012 at 9:03 pm in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304524

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Whether I think they should be sold at market isn’t the question. The U.S. is the world’s largest arms dealer. If the Cyberdyne model T800 was available for sale, someone would buy it.

May 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #15 #2304911

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Turkmen AF Su-25

Seen post-overhaul/upgrade and in the process of having markings applied. Turkmenistan may not have the smallest air force out there, but photos of their types are rare.

http://russianplanes.net/ID77606

May 18, 2012 at 1:54 pm in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2304922

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neither has Rafale, which has been on the market for years longer

it’s a killing machine, not a toy 😉 China has no private arms contractors and it does not actively market weapons systems. whenever China does export weapons systems, they are highly discounted or are free of cost altogether

It’s a product, which needs to be sold to market. Ever hear of Norinco, CAIC? They are Chinese arms manufacturers. Being state-owned does not mitigate the fact that these companies have to produce something. China may have a communist government, but their economy is all capitalist borderlining on feudal.

May 18, 2012 at 2:36 am in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2305194

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Are the Chinese marketing the JF-17 like western companies? I don’t even think it has yet to participate in a major international competition. They won’t sell it to India for obvious reasons, nor South Korea and Taiwan. Egypt and the UAE are steadfast U.S. customers now. I’d bet if Israel did not have the military financial support it does, the JF-17 could be flying there. Israel and China have good defense cooperation. Brazil wants what it perceives to be a more advanced fighter. In time, they’ll be building their own. Argentina would be a good customer for the JF-17, if they had the $$$. Politics and economics is controlling sales in that arena. Not because the JF-17 is no good.

May 18, 2012 at 2:29 am in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2305205

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That’s a hard sell in the case of the F-15. I don’t think the JF-17 can be compared with the F-15. The F-16 is far from obsolete as well. I still think the F-15 could be very useful if new airframes were built. In lieu of that the Super Hornet the best choice, IMHO.

May 18, 2012 at 2:19 am in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #15 #2305212

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Uganda

UgAF Mi-17 from the U.S. Army Africa’s Flickr stream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usarmyafrica/5657100479/

May 18, 2012 at 2:11 am in reply to: JF-17 vs Gripen vs MiG-21 Thread 2 #2305227

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I am not so convinced. I think the JF-17 will be for markets that cannot buy American, cannot afford European and do not wish to buy Russian. China could subsidize these machines for credit or exchange in foreign goods. I would not be surprised to see 17’s wind up in Angola, Zambia or even Sudan.
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