Should be around 4,000USD from Europe to Panama. Handling etc included will rapidly go to around 7,000 USD. Previously indeed a rate of 1,000 was about regular. Costs for fuel have about doubled in the last 5 years. The biggest container ships, Emma Maersk etc. use around 375t of fuel every day. Depending on how much fridge capacity they need etc. Big tankers and LNG’s are about 130t (LNG’s of course depend on Gas-Gas, Fuel-Fuel or Fuel-Gas) a day and smaller stuff goes around 50t. Depends from ship to ship of course. Rate of HFO is a bit over 500 USD per ton, while MDO is about double that. While about 5 years ago the MDO was still a little over 500 and HFO half that. Also depends where you take the HFO. Gulf vs. Europe is very different. Gulf is a little more expensive, but better quality.
Slowing down of ships, haven’t seen that happen and I doubt it will happen too. Depends of course on growth, I think they have too many container ships for now, so they can slow down and add a ship to one line. Slowing down gives a LOT less consumption.

A cat is of little use against rats onboard. Dogs are a much better measure, although it’s not even always the dog that wins the battle. The rats have a nasty tendency of biting themselves stuck in the dog’s nose, until the dog runs off from pain. Not nice. Well, I guess a small cat is easier to feed than a big dog… They can save some money again, they’re probably happy.

Hiya Sean,

bit late, but normally you have the 12 miles territorial waters and 200mile EEZ, every zone has its rights and duties. Within your EEZ you have economical rights, if continental shelf extends further, then that more or less counts as an EEZ too. The Russians have refitted a year or two ago a Victor III sub with special instrumentation to go and have a look up till where the continental shelf goes. Possibly they found a finger stretching out towards the North Pole. If you find a treasure/big natural resources in international waters it doesn’t belong to you. The profit made on such things, is split between a certain group of poor countries, because that area is seen as “property of everyone”. Which is partially why most companies keep away from seeking for resources in deep sea. If your company is supported by the State, the State can always try to make the area its territorial water! Helps both of them…

Hey, you’ll have a “unappropriate language” warning now, I figured out P’ing is the inappropriate word here. Harry I think “wee diddums” is also inappropriate, can you send him a message for that???

Turbinia, according to this warning I had ro reread the forum rules and all of a sudden I found out this forum is for people that are interested in ships NEXT to aircraft. I guess we don’t belong here (although I know turbines extend to aircraft too). Better get to a different board my friend, you know where to go.
For me it’s not at all necessary to point anything out to children. Can’t expect to be considered the boss over here as you’re not Indian nor Chinese and you’re not dreaming enough.
Let’s get back to shipbuilding in our hidden agenda’s because these guys over here think it’s smarter to assume their enemy is weaker than them.

Broncho’s reply is exactly what we mean. Turbinia, and sometimes me too, say such things in a rude way because you don’t seem to understand the gentle way. If we say something like Victor mentioned then you will keep coming with stupid arguments because you know we won’t reply anymore. In mature forums that’s not a problem, in the kindergarten over here that’s something totally different.

Nice try, but it doesnt work. If Turbinia’s behaviour cannot respond to Harrys specific details, then it does not mean that a few glib snarky comments compensate.

That’s the type of encouraging replies that makes such people posting dumb arguments. Turbinia didn’t have to reply to Harry’s point as we had already pointed out that without foreign aide they simply can’t build a real warship.

Harry’s good points were? Pxx,Pxx etc. (he started peeing and that requires a weener which Turbinia indicated :p ) How many of those are actually in service? And how much of those is actually Indian? Indeed, the main point is that they can’t do it themselves. Yes they made progress, but far from what China did.
China indeed has had many failed projects and up till now type 52C hasn’t even received her SSMs yet, but the point is that they have at least some systems in service by now, which can’t be said of the Indian ones.

Anyhow, time to go, have fun and keep P’ing with the weeners (big and small)

So Victor, what you want is to see is us leave and let you guys all dream along, and of course keep stating things that are by far not true and just suggestions. I guess the board would end up comparing spaceship Enterprise to space ships from other series and saying your is better than the other.

They could get rid of the SeaKings too and just use the Kamovs or Dhruvs from the Trenton. Use the SeaKings for spares (the parts that can be used) for the current Westland SeaKings. That would most likely be the smallest waste of money.

With the double hulled tankers the strength is now better divided. Cutting a hole in the deck would be possible. Adding tween decks will also give addition strength to compensate for these possible holes. Steel only costs about 7 dollars a ton, so no real problem there. They would be mounted over large areas, so cost and time of welding will be more or less limited too.

Deck strength is the major problem I think. Most tankers only have a helicopter spot to winch someone up, not to accomodate a helicopter. The last ones, like the Hellespont ULCC’s, have a spot strengthened to let even a Sea King land, safer for pilots to come onboard. Yet that’s again only a single strengthened spot. The remainder of the deck is weaker.
However strengthenin that deck will make it stronger to divide the forces again.
I think it’s possible, but indeed will come at some cost. A tanker is slow though, these Hellesponts are capable of doing 19kts in ballast (at 150,000t displacement) with good weather.

hi 7,

I noticed the French have now cancelled the last two Horizons and are opting for a type of AAW FREMM too. The concept you have shown seems to be called FREDA instead of FREMM by the way.
However one big questions remains, how many tons and what’s the size of this ship?
How do the French expect to exchange two 7,000t AAW destroyers by something the size of FREDA???
Or is the FREDA that big?

It seems strange, that they could mount APAR, Smart-L and such a VLS and helicopter on a ship smaller than Zeven Provincien…