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  • in reply to: Russian Navy : News & Discussion #2072550
    Neptune
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    Operational? None.
    Severstal had ten missiles left back in 2004, presumably that might be called “operational”, the other missiles are either launched in exercises or expired date and scrapped.
    Dmitry Donskoy is the one you are referring too, she has a new towed array sonar (same as Gepard’s) and has the “Bulava” system, although that is not for sure. She did the test launch, but to the question whether she really has the system I have no answer. She was converted some two years ago, yet only last year the Bulava tests were done from it, first a test of the shipboard system, this year the test of the missile itself. But whether she really has 20 of them, that’s not for sure. Tuman is also left “in service”, but doesn’t have any missiles left, so is basically out of service. The other three of the class were some of the first victims of the Nunn Lugar program, scrapped with US help. This year, “Red October” was on the list.

    in reply to: Can Oscar II Be Converted As LACM Carrier ?? #2072593
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    Garry such upgrades have been tried, Vulkan is just a Bazalt with a new booster and fuel, range is 750km, not that much of an edge over the original, neither has its speed been increased. I suppose for Granit it would make about the same possibilities, range around 1000km or slightly less should be possible. But nonetheless I don’t think Russia is considering that. Vulkan is only in service with Varyag too, the other submarines equiped with the missile have been taken out of service. So it wasn’t that much of a success.

    As for the Stingers etc. That is mostly because CIA is selling/giving them to their “allies” and not because they are stolen in large scale. It is mostly the Igla or RPG variants that get into wrong hands and they aren’t given by SVR…

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2072613
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    Hmm, Wanshan, the Enforcer series costs approx $480million, that is of course quite a bit more… They could buy 10 of these old boats for the price of one enforcer. On the other hand it would be brand new and has some more capabilities. It would most likely be more interesting in training on an enforcer before building something like Mistral than training on one of these old ships.

    in reply to: PLAN Thread (Pics, news, speculations…everything) – 2 #2072616
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    Yeah,yeah explain explain… (Just kidding)
    I think it could indeed be Tombstone, but not sure as the box seems a bit longer than the original one. But I could be mistaken by the small size of this ship of course.

    in reply to: Can Oscar II Be Converted As LACM Carrier ?? #2072622
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    Yes, Garry, plenty of those reports in other services too, but none in the nuclear submarine service. A TOW or Stinger going missing isn’t really that much of a disaster as it doesn’t create a danger to 120 men (unless of course the plane that is shot down with the stinger is filled with 50 and crashes on another 70 men) or the bus that gets hit by the TOW is filled with 100 people and explodes killing another 20.

    Granit-M does not exist, the closest to it would be Vulkan, used in Varyag.

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2072654
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    I wonder why they didn’t buy this one, as you can see the Russians even took the effort of drawing an Indian Helicopter on it. And they bought it themselves in the shape of Ivan Gren, building at Yantar at the moment…

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Severodvinsk/IvanGren.jpg

    This one does only carry 300 men, but apart from this one there are plenty more candidates, French Mistral for example, India is working already with France, so no problems in that area. Otherwise the Spanish-Dutch designs? Many things that are better than old US junk.

    in reply to: Varyag getting prettied up for a dance #2072703
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    [quote]Sky Watch, is Mars Passet. That was the system that was meant to be intalled on Kuznetzov. The Tombstone mounted on Peter the Great (Kirov class) is installed as a single rotating mount. So I doubt that was intended to be fitted, it is also associated with the S-300FM system which was never intended for installation on a carrier.[quote]

    If you read the description of the system I put behind the Sky Watch designation you would know what I meant. I was thinking, thinking, thinking and only Sky Watch came up my mind. It has another name, but I simply forgot it, as it’s not commonly used nor known.
    Here are some more pictures of the system I mean:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Severodvinsk/SSV501.jpg
    http://forums.airbase.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=19645
    Looks big on this ship, but a lot smaller on Ural, and Ural is smaller than Kuznetsov, so it would again look pretty realistic on that ship.
    Tombstone you are right, but I’m quite sure that it can be used in general surveillance task too, or at least something based on it, which you would at least expect after Tombstone.
    Nonetheless, I still think Varyag was meant to go without a phased array.
    The Su-33 purchase has been mentioned a few times now, I wonder what is the truth behind these reports.

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    Neptune
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    It probably wouldn’t as her steering gear is still old compared to Aster’s, which results in less manoueverability. An ARH is also heavier, demands more battery power etc. Which would result in either a lighter warhead or less fuel, meaning less range.
    Nonetheless I expected Poliment on this one, as they call her “the missile hunter”. Could of course be a writer’s input too. Anyway, old design, old ship, probably isn’t any good. They only completed her to get the slipways free without too much problems and costs. If they really mean “flagship”, then that might mean they will put Nastoychivy and Bespokoiny in the Northern Fleet again, although scrapyard is more likely. Bespokoiny isn’t much more of a piece of scrap held together by paint anyway.
    The Funnel has also changed, looks like a late Soviet idea, Ukraina, the last Slava also has such a funnel now.

    in reply to: Varyag getting prettied up for a dance #2072852
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    The Tombstone was meant to be placed like this, but I doubt the angled areas are large enough to hold one. Otherwise there is the Sky Watch phased array radar. That one certainly is too big, but a smaller version could probably be carried. The large panels were always used in surveillance missions, not for defensive purposes up till now.

    But, in general I do think she was designed without phased array panels in mind, as you mentioned.

    Neptune
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    BTW, this picture was taken back in May 2005. Work has advanced a lot by now.

    Neptune
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    Mudry’s nearly finished, everything in place, ready for a nice coat of paint and she’ll be ready. As they also mentioned this year:

    MOSCOW. Sept 16 (Interfax-AVN) – Cutting-edge Project 20380
    corvettes will be fielded with the Baltic Fleet in the near future,
    Admiral Vladimir Valuev, Baltic Fleet Commander, told Interfax-Military
    News Agency.
    “The Baltic Fleet expects to receive up to 10-13 Project 20380
    corvettes,” he said.
    He also pointed out that the Baltic Fleet expected to be equipped
    with the Yaroslav Mudry flagship in 2006-2007. “It was decided to
    complete the construction, and we hope that the ship will be finished in
    2006 in order to enter service with the Baltic Fleet in 2007,” Valuev
    said.
    At the same time he noted the high combat efficiency of the
    Yaroslav Mudry flagship, especially as far as air defense was concerned.
    “The ship is so efficient, that it has been nicknamed “missile hunter”,
    ” he said.
    Valuev pointed out that at the present time the surface ship
    strength of the Baltic Fleet amounted to 60 ships of various types,
    including missile boats.
    He also said that the Baltic Fleet would have established a
    submarine brigade, comprising up to nine subs, by the end of 2007. “The
    new submarine brigade to be established in the next two years will be
    equipped with six to nine cutting-edge Project 677 Lada submarines,”
    Valuev said.
    The Baltic Fleet is manned with 25,000 men.
    The new corvette was developed at the Almaz Central Naval Design
    Bureau, based in St. Petersburg.
    The corvette is armed with advanced anti-ship, anti-submarine and
    air defense missile systems. The 100-mm multi-purpose deck artillery
    system enables it to effectively counter hostile vessels of the same
    type as well as engage shore targets. The Kashtan-type anti-aircraft
    missile artillery system is capable of killing low-altitude airborne
    targets with super-sonic missiles at a distance of up to 10 kilometers.
    The two AK-30 automatic artillery systems are designed to destroy
    targets at a distance of up to five kilometers.
    The stealth technology of the vessel minimizes its radar, infrared,
    magnetic and visual signature.
    The vessel is capable of launching missile strikes on hostile
    surface ships and shore objects and participating in anti-submarine
    operations; it can be hardly detected by the enemy’s aircraft radars due
    to its low signature. The 100-mm automatic system enables the corvette
    to provide fire support to friendly landing troops.
    The new ship will displace up to 2,000 tonnes; it will be 100
    meters long and 13 meters wide.
    The corvette is fitted with a K-27 deck helicopter.

    Pretty funny that they call her missile hunter, especially because they already have one of those in service and a dozen more ships with the same Air Defence system!
    On the other hand, she does differ a bit from Neustrashimiy in the mid-section, where the SSMs will come.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Severodvinsk/Yaroslav.jpg

    in reply to: Can Oscar II Be Converted As LACM Carrier ?? #2072887
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    I’m responding to Garry’s post, not to the Kh-101 idea. That’s why Oscar would have to come close, please read my ENTIRE post before commenting. I clearly mentioned those things there.

    And, no they don’t specially fly over there as there are many better areas to live in Russia, but the people that are there do it (mostly service and ex-service people). They indeed get rather rapidly rich in this way. Although some of them don’t even understand the true value of these goods and only get a dime for something much more valuable.

    in reply to: Can Oscar II Be Converted As LACM Carrier ?? #2072904
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    Haha, you just can’t believe it can you? It’s a widespread thing, happening all the time. They guarded it, but the guards were the ones stealing afterwards… As mentioned in the report, maybe you should read it again.

    As for NK subs, don’t underestimate the power a very small conventional sub in shallow waters using the bottom contours to hide. And be sure, also NK has some good captains and crews. As for the Oscar, with Granit (and “supposing” you can change fuel, technology, warhead and seeker is out of the question, as you would then just basically make a new missile) it would have to get in the range of these NK subs. You never know when one gets lucky. Killing an Oscar would be quite a good propaganda issue. Nonetheless, NK isn’t the best of examples I admit, as the NK peninsula isn’t a good area for such a thing. But, using a 3000km cruise missile, the Oscar can stay well out of reach of these SSKs, not even taking the slightest risk.

    in reply to: Varyag getting prettied up for a dance #2072908
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    Taking out the engines wouldn’t cause such a trim on the head, engines are amidship, probably even in front of the Center of Floatation. Maybe just the steering engine as mentioned before? Or something in the hangar? Or they shifted some weight from the back to the front (unlikely as she looks equally deep in front, which wouldn’t be the case)

    in reply to: Can Oscar II Be Converted As LACM Carrier ?? #2072911
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    Report from 2003, I think the “Granit class” submarine was Krasnoyarsk, not sure, but I think that was mentioned in later reports, which I can’t find at the moment.

    Thieves plunder Russian Navy

    Russia’s nuclear-armed Northern Fleet is falling to pieces – quite literally – as scavengers plunder its ships of precious metal components. Hundreds of naval officers and civilian contractors have joined with criminal gangs in the illegal trade targeting anything containing a few dollars’ worth of gold, silver or palladium. Millions of dollars are being made on smuggling the loot abroad, and naval equipment worth perhaps hundreds of millions is being ruined in the process, Russian TV reports.

    Warships and submarines, both decommissioned and in active service, often find themselves missing vital components, including telecommunication circuit boards, air regeneration filters and even torpedoes. “Expensive equipment is rendered inoperative as a result of these thefts,” says Vladimir Mulov, the Northern Fleet’s military prosecutor. “Parts, for example, are stolen from anti-aircraft systems. Such thefts cause enormous damage to the ships’ military capability.” The port has become the scene of fierce turf wars between rival gangs which has claimed more than 10 lives this year alone, says its police chief Viktor Pesterev.

    One Russian Granit-class nuclear-powered submarine contains roughly a tonne of silver, more than 30 kg of pure gold and 20 kg of the precious metal palladium, experts say. Some of this potential treasure is dispersed in thousands of tiny circuit-board components throughout the ship. A detailed diagram showing where such components can be found on a submarine, along with instructions on how best to dismantle them, was recently found during a police raid. But just one shoebox-sized air regeneration cartridge, for example, can yield 139 grams of palladium, worth over 2,000 dollars on the black market, the TV says. No wonder places like Murmansk are littered with booths of scrap metal dealers, and local papers are filled with advertisements offering a good price for precious metal – no questions asked.

    Shipyards and naval bases have employed guards with metal detectors in an effort to keep the ships’ components where they belong. But that does not always help. One recent victim is the nuclear submarine Kazan, which lost her air regeneration filters. They were stolen by two officers who were supposed to guard them. Still on trial for a similar offence is the chief of a naval garrison and a naval captain. Of the 147 people investigated for the theft of precious metals from the military last year, more than half were officers.

    And no I’m not Vlad

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