Which is roughly the western response to the cold war Soviet Fleet… except the Soviet fleet didn’t have a dozen carrier groups. Why do you think the Russians should ignore the US carrier fleet?
No that wasn’t the response, they weren’t going to counter the Soviet fleet with Tomahawks. Tomahawk was just a mere escape of the treaties signed to counter the nuclear missile threat. The Cruise missile was something totally beyond those treaties but still could carry a nuke. It was nothing really good to counter a fleet with, in some way they ignored the Soviet fleet in that.
And with the Tomahawks, they are capable of engaging a long way from any country, not bringing the launchers in danger by bringing them within the range of smaller Navies. North Korea would already be dangerous to Oscar as they have many older subs to block your way. If they wanted, they could still attack Navies like Denmark or Norway, which would already get risky to Russian submarines in some cases.
And why should Russia take care of the US CVBGs? Is anyone else caring about them? Only China is now trying to force something, all other Navies in the world aren’t taking the effort. Neither should Russia as long as they have their ICBMs. (As long as this is the case, no one will actually try to take Siberia from them).
Kuguar was there for a long time, back in USSR days, likely they resumed building if your source is right, but it’s likely considering her state of construction. Would have been stupid to keep her for 10 years and then scrap the remains. She’s Akula II, the follow on to Gepard. Possible redesign was carried out, like with Gepard.
As for Tigr, she’s no Project 971U as that project has never been built. It could only be assumed that some of the features of this super-akula were taken over in the Akula II and possible to a slighter extent in the Improved Akula.
Here is a picture of Soobraztelniy:
Big joke there, do you honestly think Russia fears US because it would put a CVBG in front of their coast? Don’t think so, they still have an airforce as you know and there are very little ports they really care about as most of their trade comes by land. And you know what attitude Mr. Putin has, he’s not easily scared.
Sending Oscars would indeed be noticed, and noticed quite well, attracting every single ASW platform US has in the area, many SSNs with that probably, not a smart idea in this way. The Akula’s are feared a lot more than the Oscars nowadays, as they can sneak out without being noticed, something much harder for an Oscar.
As for “proof”, you as well as the others here know that you can’t just take a few nice pictures up close and walk out without being checked. If you would succeed in that, I think you’re better off not putting them online either, USSR may have been gone and KGB with it, but you better be careful.
And as for the other ideas, Granat would still be the better option, Yakhont or Granit’s range is way too short and would bring the noisy Oscar in the way of even smaller coastal navies. Better be carefull with that.
If the Russian Navy really has to have stealthy submarine LACM carriers then utilise a VLS in SSNs as seen in the latest Amur designs or just utilise TT launched missiles, which are already in the Russian inventory
Agree with that, but not Amur of course as that one wouldn’t get too far out and hence could only attack Poland or China or something… But on the SSN, I have already mentioned that in my post too. A much better idea. 8 or 12 in VLS, adding some 10 of them in the torpedo room, which will still leave enough weapons for other duties.
Most of the Oscars-2 are less than a decade old , And maintainance is an issue which RuN are well aware of , Lack of Maintenance is a Myth created by you and others , the Core of Russian Sub are well maintained and well look after.
And how do you know that? Been there like me?
How can one be very sure that Russia will face problem only from Chechniya , Russia has strategic interest in many parts of the world and you cant fly over countries( without prior permission ) if you have to address it . Also in such cases it takes the element of Suprise.
Because there is no one in the area really willing to fight Russia except the Chechyens, and because Russia doesn’t make ennemies of countries that lie half a world away from it, and since Russia is defensive, it would only use these subs in defensive ways, hence “surprise” element will be gone anyway.
How would Russia “fly” over other countries? Is it going to have a war with France? Is it going to attack Vietnam? Or would they be using “the carriers”? Which aren’t there.
And the modified Ohios are ??
The Modified Oscar-2 would be the ideal platform for LACM duties as they are born cruise missile carriers ala SSGN then the Ohios could be.
No they aren’t, but they are at least a few steps ahead of Antey in the way of silencing and sensors.
Russian dont pump Billions to get their toys , Two different economies , It would be unfair to compare cost to cost what US and Russia spends on defence.
Unless you still have the hangover of early nineties , Russia economy is no where where it used to be in early and mid nineties , The state budget for the Navy has been increasing every year and bound to grow in years ahead as the Russian Navy Chief had stated it is sufficient to take care of ongoing and future projects
That is just a political matter, govt doesn’t have the money, but they just started using more for the Navy, Putin has been a Navy fan for a very long time and by coincidence defense spending has been raised by about 5.1% every year since he is president.
Technically it’s not a problem, trade weight-for-weight and there shouldn’t be any trouble.
Yet the questions posed above are a fact, Russia has no use whatsoever with such a weapon. It’s much easier to send a plane over Chechniya and bomb the place with normal bombs than to send a sub in the Black Sea and throw some cruise missiles at it. It would be way too expensive anyway.
The only reason US has converted these subs is that they intend to use them, not that they need them.
For the Oscars, they don’t have that much life left in these hulls, they are pretty recently built, but lack of maintenance can kill a ship in a few years, making it show cracks, unreliability issues etc. Neither are the Oscars the best subs for this task and not built for it. It would be better to put these extra millions in building more Severodvinsks with cruise missiles or even just trying to maintain what they have left with that money instead of creating something as stupid as this.
Russia might be better off than it was in the past decade, yet it still isn’t in a US-situation where they are allowed to throw money at toys.
The money they earn with weaponry doesn’t go to the state, only a tiny part of the money goes to the state, all the other money is going to the builders and designers to try and cover their huge debts from the past and pay for the development of all these new projects. Companies don’t pay for Russian Navy weapons.
yeah if you take off the white line, then I suppose she’s equally high painted. Just on top of the bulb as you can see. The “higher” appearance is probably caused because this picture shows her quite close.
Another note on the picture you linked to Terran, she’s on evenkeel in that picture, so it actually seems the Chinese have taken something out somewhere in the back…
She isn’t painted higher either, as you can see her bulb is still not totally submerged and you can also see the waterline is about equal to that bulb. You can’t really mess with a bulb either as it would immediately lose most of its efficiency when pushed deeper or kept above the water. You can’t throw in a couple thousand tons more without a problem, that’s why carrier conversion costs so much money, design is quite a problem with that. The planes only weigh about 30tons each if they are heavy, they don’t make a difference, but when you start imagining Ski-jumps on Kiev, you start getting in trouble.
Isn’t that picture from a while ago? She already went into dry dock… Or now a second time? Sounds strange to me if that’s the case. Yak-38 did take-off horizontally from Kiev and Minsk…
Screws too, yes, all together they weigh at about 100-120ts. I’d say I’ll calculate her center of floatation but for now that’s a bit hard. I did find Kirov’s, I’m still figuring out her trimming moments, a few days and I’ll have that too.
SOC, you certainly know better than that, land based radars differ a LOT compared to land based radars, that’s being caused primarily by the different clutter and principles of radar tracking, steady-stay-tracking, something you can never really achieve in naval applications, on land that’s a different thing.
The engines don’t have to do anything with that as engines are placed more amidships. It probably are the rudders/steering gear that is not installed, as that gives a much larger momentum from the point of floation.
She has a large trim, wich probably means she still doesn’t have any steering gear as that is one of the most important parts of stability near the stern.
Cool topic, must have been here before I entered this forum as I hadn’t seen it before.
One thing they all don’t mention. These “ducts” are basically constructed like an aircraft wing, take and aircraft wing, bend it downwards until you have a cilinder and there you have your duct. What is so special about this? Well, as you can see with aircraft, the air is bent down, pushing the wing up with a high pressure field below the wing, above the wing you have a low pressure field. As you can now see, the inside of the duct will have a much higher pressure inside, which allows the propellor to be much much much more efficient and turn on a much lower rate. So, instead of 87rpm, you will only need 60rpm (just an example) to have the same speed. This, together with the propellor diameter determin your water acceleration. Cavitation is created by the acceleration of water, this acceleration means a reduced pressure, and if you lower the pressure enough (below vapor pressure), water evaporates. When the water leaves the propellor, it slows down, and eventually the pressure rises again and the bubble collapses, creating noise.
There you have the other advantage of these propellors, you can go at much higher speeds without creating a huge amount of cavitation and at low speeds even prevent cavitation. Add to this that you have an engine running much slower and hence lower noiselevels and you have quite an idea why everyone is designing pumpjets.
The disadvantage is of course that it it’s not as easy as designing propellors because the parts have to fit quite well mechanically (otherwise it’s really screwed up).
On the other hand, what a scewed propellor does, is just stressing the blade tips of a propellor, making it more efficient once again, to lower the rpm. The bending “inward” of the wingtips is to reduce the diameter hence acceleration again. The blades can’t be built too “fat” though as the stresses would become too large then. But now everyone can build these as once you have seen one, you can give that image to some scientists and they will come up with the answer to what it does, just a matter of invention as is mostly the case. But sometimes the problem is deeper, like with a pumpjet, you can’t design one because you’ve seen it…
Zvezdochka also has a new contract with India for the upgrade of another Kilo, this time it will be executed in India’s wharfs. Russia will modify the yards and do the armament and electronics work and India will do the mechanics, engines, etc.
WHERE did I say the Russian Govt cut a hole in Kursk???? I don’t think I ever said that, all I said was that Mammoet/ Mammoth cut a hole in that hull and I know very well from experience how that happens and what type of material they use for such operations. And they just happen to correspond with this hole in size as well as shape. So alltogether I’m pretty sure I’m closer to the answer to this “hole-question” than you are. The Zionist idea surely isn’t yours that’s for sure and at least I do have knowledge to form an own opinion to follow and not someone else’s.