AIP wasn’t planned back when this design was being made. First design was ready in 1977 (that was just an improved Zwaardvis), yet the second design, with many revolutionary improvements like Mk48 torpedoes, Subharpoon, TAS etc. Was only ready by 1986. The second design won and became the Walrus class.
The biggest problem of it all, was that the Royal Netherlands Navy decided to give the go-ahead to RDM in 1979… So the design was far from finished. In 1979 the keel for the first of the class was laid, yet they soon found out that all kinds of new calculations and design features had to be done. They even had to make an entire mock-up of the engine room and command post!
Normally she would be ready in 1985, yet in 1982 they already shifted that date by 3 to 4 years.
As far as I know AIP came only about 1988 for Nacken. If you consider that Walrus design was already made in 1979 running through 1986…
The funny thing is that they equipped the Walrus class with two MAG Machinegun mounts on the conning tower now. What an upgrade 😉 .
I noticed you have already asked on Dutchfleet.net about this. Normally Martmarbus will help you out there. If not, I’ll give a call to one of the officers of the boat, they certainly know what the thing on the bow is. I always thougt it was part of the DUUX-5 suite.
Here you can see 3 flank arrays:
She doesn’t really carry the towed array sonar.
She’s fit for, but not fitted with. I think the Dutch don’t even really own the towed arrays themselves, they just practice occasionally with an English one. The ships then go to sea, together with Mercuur, the submarine support ship. Mercuur has the Towed Array sonar onboard and it is then transferred to the Walrus, it’s clip-on unit.
That’s from the top of my head, I’ll have a look for the rest of it.
Edit, the thing on top of the bow is as far as I know, the DUUX-5. The rest of your information is correct I think.
Granit is smaller than Bazalt in length. Body diameter is larger I think.
The Russian drawing is correct when it comes to scale.
Severnaya Verf launches Stoiky
corvette for Russian Navy
St. Petersburg’s Severnaya Verf shipyard laid the keel Friday of the Stoiky corvette for Russia’s Navy.
The Stoiky will be the fourth corvette of the Project 20380 series, after the Steregushchy, the Soobrazitelny and
the Boiky, designed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau and built at the shipyard. Deputy Navy Commander
Mikhail Zakharenko, who took part in the keel-laying ceremony, said that the first ship built in the series, the
Steregushchy corvette, shipped out Friday for testing.Navy Commander Admiral Vladimir Masorin said in May at the Steregushchy launch ceremony that the event marked
the beginning of a new stage in the development of Russian military shipbuilding.
“Russia must maintain its Navy,” he said, adding that Russia planned to launch a new ship in each design series every
year starting in 2006, and that construction of new combat ships will ensure security at sea and global stability.
“Ships of this series [project 20380] will also help ensure Russia’s energy security,” Masorin said. Russia has
designated energy security its number one priority during its tenure this year as chairman of the Group of Eight
leading industrialized nations. Masorin said the corvettes will protect oil and gas transportation routes, especially in the
Baltic Sea and the Black Sea.
The Boiky and the Soobrazitelny, ships of the same series, are still being constructed at the shipyard. The Stoiky
corvette has a displacement of 2,000 metric tons, a maximum speed of 27 knots, a crew of 100 and is equipped with
stealth technology.
From Tass.
CSSC buys Hudong Heavy Machinery
According to China Knowledge, China State Shipbuilding Corp, one of the world’s five biggest shipbuilders, will take
direct control of Shanghai-listed Hudong Heavy Machinery before its planned US$800 million IPO on the Hong Kong
Stock Exchange next year, according to the South China Morning Post on Thursday. Hudong Machinery, which has a
60% market share in Chinese production of low-speed diesel engines for ships, said Wednesday its two largest
shareholders will transfer their combined 53.27% stake to their parent, State Shipbuilding. The transaction will not
involve any cash. According to Hudong Machinery, the deal has already won approval from the China Securities
Regulatory Commission (CSRC) and the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission.
Steam winches are the best, although a bit noisy and nasty. Hydraulic is second best, electric is for cruise ship barby dolls.
Indeed, if you have more cable on your winch, the turning moment will get bigger and the winch will indeed have some trouble. I wonder what the break power of that winch is? Normally the break can hold quite a larger weight than the winch can pull.
Azimuth/bow thrusters indeed consume way too much power. For that reason you can often only use them for 15 minutes at a time. I had a simulator manoeuvre failed by that. I was using it to make a 180° turn with a 265m long container vessel. Didn’t work out well as I used it over 15 minutes (well it seemed like seconds at that moment). Got an alarm, but as it was a simulator I was allowed to proceed the manoeuvre. 300m behind me, 60m in front, there are nicer moments in your life 😉
I’ll see if I can scan the “perfect manoeuvre” of that exercise.
Sure that’s the same scale? Man that thing was huge…
Indeed Bazalt is the third from below, with Granit under it and Yakhont as the lowest.
Simple answer to your question. Soviet Navy didn’t intend to get their surface fleet that close to US waters. They had a defensive fleet, the sole carrier was meant for air cover for submarines, not to engage US mainland. The only way they would hit US mainland was by using their submarines and their cruisemissiles. The Soviet/Russian Navy lacked too much in the way of logistics that they could possibly attack US with a decent number of ships. They would have gotten themselves killed before they got within range of their cruisemissiles.
Nice you mention that. Ti Europe was heading that way after I disembarked too.
Another recommendation would be to visit the C anchorage in Fujairah or the tanker anchorage in Singapore. Full of big boys. They don’t like small boats crossing in between though.
Yes those new AHTSS are getting big too. Question for you though, what is bollard pull? I know it’s expressed in tonnes but I have no clue how they measure it… Does it have something to do with the engine power or with the winch power?

First time I see a ULCC being launched in the “conventional” method.
And this one’s better to compare:

Let’s do a pull-out contest with the bulldozer.
As I expected, given their size and loading capacity.

Got to love this one, small ULCC Crawling on land. (of course sad if you think this is for scrapping). It would be cool to see one of these in the middle of a city, that would really show their size. This one is just a small ULCC though, 339,000dwt, you’re only ULCC from 300,000dwt so she’s only slightly over the limit. She’s 356m long instead of the regular 333m for a VLCC. Her draft and beam are more like a VLCC though. The Ti tankers are 442,000dwt, so that’s a USN CVN more in weight 😀
B-380 is Alrosa, the sole Black Sea Fleet Kilo, with pumpjet for testing purposes. She’s been in dry dock already, so I suppose the repairs are already done.
As for Uran, it’s in service with the Indian, Algerian and Russian Navy (maybe someone else too), Russian Navy has it on Smetliviy, the sole active Kashin in the Black Sea Fleet and some smaller FAC for testing purposes. Also Pilky and Legkiy (Krivak I) had their RBU launchers removed and racks for the Uran fitted. The strange thing is that they lack the guidance radar for Uran, so installation is doubtful. It was also scheduled for Neustrashimiy and her follow on.
I think the “Grom” was called Meteorit for naval purpose. A complete overly large failure is what it was. You can’t keep every failure running, it would consume too much money. That is the US approach, it’ll work if we throw enough money at it, not Russia’s way of thinking.
The Siren/Malakhit is by no means related to Granit. It carries an IR seeker under its belly and is much slower. It is more or less comparable to Exocet, except for being much larger and of course that IR seeker.
WisePanda,
here is the “verandah” starboard of the island. Doesn’t really look broad though, will be a tight fit if they want to move aircraft over it.
The main difference between Shaddock and Sandbox are a couple of antennae mounted on the rear fins.
02 is a Chinese made mock-up of what Bazalt “looks like”, mounted on the Minsk museum carrier. They made mock-ups of all weapons to show the visitors what the armament of these carriers was. They however made some mistakes as you can see… They also used the SS-N-12 NATO designation which is funny! It is fully made following the Jane’s drawings of this missile up till the real pictures became available. If you look in the computer game Jane’s Fleet Command, you will find out the Kitchen looks exactly like this Chinese one!
I think Snake is the best person to answer the rest of the questions. 03 and 04 are indeed certainly Bazalt as they are the ones loaded on Moskva. 08 is in a museum, I think it is a SS-N-3 given that she seems to lack some of the details (antennae) that SS-N-12 has.
Overhaul of Kuz is only minor. An upgrade has been proposed several times, yet money is still a problem and at the moment she consumes all the money there is with her regular overhauls. Currently they are just repairing the damage done by the fire some time ago and probably putting some newer electronics in place.
Ochakov (upgraded Kara class) is going into upgrade soon too. Although they have said that many times before. Not sure if she will retain the name though, another city is now sponsoring the ship, seems that the Russian navy has put 200 million aside for her upgrade and B-380’s. Not a good way to spend your money though.
I am dreaming a multipole world in which every country supports its own interests its own culture and to be peacefully cooperating with others in economic affairs and in culture. Thats ALL.
That is what you say it is, just a dream. Such a world can’t exist and you know it. You cannot keep large economies next to each other peacefully. US economy going down the drain, they look for options to salvage it and see they have a HUGE military that can rip off other countries. They’d be stupid not to do that and those other countries are stupid enough to lay down their defences. Europe should have seen this and given up on their “few long range ships” type of navy. They used to have enough ships to take their defences to the ocean, but nowadays that isn’t going to work. So either they should build a sufficient number of good ships, or just move back to their home waters with a bigger number of stronger, more dedicated ships. If they keep the fleet they are building now, then I have no doubt that in the end they will be taken by someone with a cripling economy and a strong military, be that US, China or India. Everyone is managing his own business at the moment, but the problem is that those businesses run all over the world.
Same counts for Russia, and that is exactly what they are doing, taking their defences closer to homewaters and hence decreasign the necessary number of units. The fourth Stereguchiy has now been laid down by Severnaya, called Stoikiy.
As for the Talwar, it looks better on the pics than in real. It’s not at all suffcient to my level and I will get rid of her, or just leave her like this, somewhere in the back of the shelf. The LNG was a totally different approach of scratch building and is much more of a succes up till now.
In reply to a question from Brezhnev in the Russian Navy topic,
here is the reply:
Actually that is not true. Seawise Giant, as built, was not that large. She was however lengthened during service and then renamed to Happy Giant, Jahre Viking and now Knox Nevis (FSO). The largest tankers every built, from keel up, were the three sisterships Prairal, Piere Guillaumat and Batillus. They were 414m long when constructed, Jahre Viking/Knox Nevis was 457m after lengthening.
Please see these pages for pictures:
Batillus:
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id22.htm
Pierre:
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id38.htm
Prairal:
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id37.htm
Seawise Giant was attacked by the Iraqi airforce in 1981 in the tanker war, here are some pictures just after the attack and some time after the attack during reconstruction.
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id112.htm
And here is Seawise Giant, Jahre Viking and Knock Nevis:
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id44.htm
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id23.htm
http://supertankers.topcities.com/id132.htm
Considering that Prairal and her sisters are already scrapped and Jahre Viking is a stationary storage for Crude oil at sea, the four Ti ULCCs are the biggest double hull tankers nowadays. I believe neither Prairal, her sisters nor Jahre Viking are double hulled.
For now tankers are only getting smaller as no one can predict how much oil there will be in 30 years (which is the “maximum” age of a tanker), there is some fear that in 20 years there will be not enough oil to justify the use of such tankers and hence they are building them slightly smaller nowadays.
Containerships on the other hand…