I’ll go with Avion Anciens suggestion then….:)
@ Mike J;- G-AERD…that long..? Blimey, you are making me feel very old..! Also, hadn’t the RAF used to use Lysanders to tow gliders with…? Hotspurs possibly..?
@Tango Charlie;- Of course it’s great to see any wooden Percivals back in the air and to hear A QII’s smooth song.
@Sideslip;- I agree, especially the Polik**&%$@%^*(()) – what’s it’s name. ‘Orrible and pretty-much irrelevant.
I have immense respect for TSC and all they do, and clearly, they do have to make some difficult decisions, and we, the outsiders, are never privy to all the factors that these decisions are based upon. However, if they must acquire latter-day warbirds, I’d much rather a Sea Fury than a Wildcat. Even better – isn’t there a rather nice Tempest going for sale at the moment….?..! I realise that the Wildcat was used by the RN, but I have to admit to a big bias towards home-grown machines, for which I make no apologies…:)
S.
Requium For A Gull.
If I was providing sponsorship, I’d far rather direct it, for example, towards getting Miss Battens Gull Six back, as this was a genuinely historic and original aircraft. G-AERD also went to the antipodes relatively recently. I’d not for one instant, of course, deny the Kiwis and Aussies their well-founded claims to interest in these a/c. However, we are left with a dearth of pre-war Percival aircraft in the UK, which for their country of origin, seems a great pity.
I’d rather see Battens Gull at OW than a hangarfull of replica Vimys thanks. There are other pre-war a/c out there still flying. If OW have money to burn, and it seems they have, they’d be better off making their owners offers than burning-up resources on vast, costly Vimy replicas and huge hangars (If this rumour were all true.). Likewise, I’d far rather see the Tutor & Tomtit as they are British, than the LVG.
Look at the Wildcat too. I’m glad that some have survived and are flying. I’ve seen them at Duxford in the past. Is it just me though, that see’s it as rather an incongruity at OW, especially if it’s at the cost of keeping or acquiring more appropriate machines? I honestly don’t think that any collections remit should be cast in concrete – and yet, many other folks have voiced a similar opinion.
Ironically, machines such as the Gull Six are relatively cheap to operate, as well as being practical, easy and safe too, so the risks are quite low.
There is a tendency for this forum to tear into people at times, – and yet – , this does all seem rather bizarre…. There are a lot of claims and the website is quite glitzy, but I can’t really see any substance. I thought that their whole idea was to buy Perranporth, keep it operating and get Spitfires there. This is a herculean ask. Many many millions of Pounds would be needed. Then more millions to keep it all running. Added to that, there is very little infrastructure at Perranporth as I recall. I fail to see how they hope to raise that vast amount of cash selling badges – or have I missed something…? If donors have donated cash in the expectation of building this Spitfire Idyll, how will they feel about the funds being used to send Tupperware ‘Spitfires’ to the far corners of the globe…? It seems faintly ludicrous.
Wasn’t there a set up a few years ago who were promising to do a similar thing with Mosquitos too…? The ‘full monty’ with aerodrome and a whole ‘squadron’ of airworthy Mosquitos…??? Or was I dreaming… Couldn’t possibly be the same people could it, the ‘modus operandi’ seems very similar…….???
It all sounds like a great wheeze, but it seems that there is far too great a disparity between the stellar ambitions and any evidence of available resources – or am I being a tad harsh? Time will tell – (It certainly did with the ‘Squadron of Mosquitos’.) It seems to me that they are simply turning to something that they are actually able to achieve, but it’s certainly far removed from what was originally advertised.
The ‘fighter jockey’ in the photo in ‘Mature Times’ will have his work cut out if he’s hoping to get a Tupperware ‘Spitfire’ flying, but at least he’s got a shiny helmet. Well, it’s a start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Walter_Mitty
You could argue the point as to why Shuttleworth would risk the likes of the Avro Tutor -Hawker Tomtit or indeed the DH88 Comet as they are irreplaceable!
You could indeed, but that’s the whole point of Old Warden, the exhibits are kept alive. It’s easy to forget that many are really replicas anyway, or largely so. As long as they are practical and safe to operate, most folks would much rather that they were kept flying, albeit under restricted operations.
Sites like Cosford and Duxford with usable airfields are so much more atmospheric – and practical – than sites that have been emasculated, such as Hendon. It’d be a crime to ruin the ability of Cosford to fly-in machines and hold airshows. Glad to see that the moves afoot will provide 1,700 jobs at Lyneham, let’s hope they don’t emasculate that airfield in the process too.
I hope your very young!
No – but as long as I still have one eye working I’ll manage…. 😉
Not post-war subject matter, but certainly written post war;- Sigh For A Merlin, Alex Henshaw.
A DC-2 might be more appropriate to commemorate the MacRobertson Race, but it wont sound as good (in my opinion) I vote for the Mew Gulls, and whatever else you can find to completely fill the air with the gorgeous sound of six cylinder Gipsy engines!
Absolutely….! The warbirds get all the limelight, but 1930’s British classics are wonderful, and the finest of that vintage are powered by the lovely silky-smooth DH six’s. I vividly remember ‘SS when it was flying – such a splendidly evocative sound. I just hope that I live long enough to hear all three of the Comets up together…!
Yes, Boost. I think I have an identical one. Early to mid 1930’s brass-cased, large dia’.
@SNAFU;- ‘Also, what happens if the design owners, whoever they are, do not allow their design to be built? Do you just ignore them and carry on? Do you make slight adjustments so that it is not exactly the same and give it a different name? I am interested to hear…’ You’d still need to get the thing certified.
On a more general note;- The real issue with old engines generally is not about the need to reproduce the whole engine, it’s about being able to properly and (Reasonably.) economically rebuild them. By and large that comes down to the demand, the motivation – and of course the money. If required parts are properly produced, there are usually ways of covering the paperwork, but that’s something one arranges from the outset. For many types of components, modern technology has certainly transformed the economic viability or production, but there will always be some items that are problematic where there is a lot of money tied-up in production.
With hindsight, RR could have had a nice little sideline over the years with Merlins, but then – who could have predicted the resurgent need for Merlins. It’s not something borne of logic, as P&P alluded.
Having missed the Wallace Island wreck, your best bet it to get a realistic fully-funded package of support together and then approach Kermit. He’s a gentleman and a scholar. God knows the Australian & Kiwi lads richly deserve a flying memorial.
As the old saying goes, ‘Possession is nine-tenths of the Law.’. How true. I’ve used eBay since it went global, and I’ve had very few problems, but just getting into a proper dialogue with eBay is almost impossible, so I don’t have any real faith in them sorting problems out. Buyers biggest protection is that highly-scored sellers will not want to get bum Feedback. It’s that simple.
MikeJ;- You took the words right out of my mouth.
Theirs is the Glory . . . .
Phew, thank goodness, I was starting to worry that the war was fought by an army of Worzle Gummages… Ooo-arrrgh…