Junk.
I couldn’t agree more with the last post. So much stuff offered as ‘collectable’ is just junk offered at laughable prices which seem to be based on what this stuff might have cost when new. (On that basis a Spit’ would be worth about £5,000..!) If suckers are prepared to pay some of these prices – fine, good luck to the sellers, – but it’s still junk….:)
Same Old, Same Old.
It was common, during both world wars, for coffins to be weighted-up with sandbags or similar to go with the proverbial ‘Jam-Jar’. (A friend of mine was presented with just such a jar containing the remains of a close friend he’d been talking to hours before during the war. Very distressing.) Even if the body was there, complete retrieval was often simply impractical. It’s almost inevitable when disturbing this kind of wreck/wargave that remains will be disturbed. Clearly a good reason for leaving well alone. Ahem. :rolleyes:
Of course, if there is no chance of any remains, then digging it up is a non-issue.
The Inspection Certificate is Form 1125 and the signature is W M Love or perhaps Lovel
I haven’t come across that name. I don’t know, but I’d presume that he was one of the AID Inspectors. VA had their own team of Inspectors out at the flight sheds too.
Who signed-off the inspection?
…but…
Lion Rocks problem is that even with the names, how will he corelate names and a/c without paperwork for either. I believe all the pilots are deceased or unavailable. Do logs etc survive for the machines listed..?
SW Economy.
I’ve spent a fair chunk of my life in the SW and I love the area. It has a lot going for it, especially if you are self contained, don’t need to go outside the SW and have a secure income, not directly dependent on the local SW economy.
The politicians and the EU have ******** the fishing and farming, the mining’s pretty-much finished, and the weather places a fickle limitation on the tourist industry. The whole economy of the SW is very fragile indeed. If it wasn’t for all the retired people that move there, it’d be a lot worse.
The Cornish coast is wonderful, but inland, some of it is rather rough and run-down, whereas Devonshire is the reverse, as it’s coast is not as spectacular as Cornwall’s, but the countryside is prettier and a little more prosperous. All the wet summers over recent years have hammered the tourist industry. Added to this, with the cost of fuel, many folks blanch at travelling so far.
I’m sure the move to Newquay was well considered, and I really don’t have any real opinion either way, but I can tell you this, – the SW has very much a low-wage economy. Perhaps they will benefit from this however.
Most visitors congregate at the fringes – around the coasts, and will often just drive right past some of it’s best assets to get to the beaches. The main advantage is that when on their hols, folks are in a better frame of mind to spend what little they have put to one side.
I certainly agree that the local Councils and the Tourist Boards try very hard to exaggerate all the positives, but they are very parochial in their operation. Most councils simply see airfields as ‘brown field building sites’……..
The only meaningful civil a/c operation in the SW is Exeter, where there are, or were, even some classic jets in operation too. Plymouth has the sword of Damocles hanging over it as I recall. I doubt if it has any long-term future.
I think the success of moving this a/c collection to such a remote area, hinges on good, well-targeted PR and advertising. It’ll really be a unique niche business in the SW. The Lost Gardens of Heligan seem to be well-promoted and are very strong. The newly-moved aircraft collection can position itself similarly. I’d add that, if they can provide a good attraction that also works when the weather is wet, – which it often is in the SW, – then they will enhance their chances of success hugely.
Nada.
Yes it is the pilot(s) who test flew the following aircraft that I am seeking.
The Spitfire serials are: P8646, P8648 & TE184
Any assistance much appreciated!
AADH didn’t test any of those three, but for approx’ dates;-
AADH tested P8699, 27/06/41 (At VACBAF.) This whole range came to test in very random order. (Some higher and lower PXXXX were tested at VAS Eastleigh in 1940.)
AADH tested MkXVI’s TE182/183 14/16/05/45 respectively. (VACBAF.)
Good Luck.
Easy…
If we are talking about real flying a/c, it really has to be the DH Hornet. The last word in piston power, and the idjits didn’t even save one…. What an aeroplane….! 🙂
Exactly.
And are we no longer supposed to refer to Bader as “Bader”, or Galland as “Galland”?
Quite. As for respect, todays idea of it is for complete strangers to ring one up and refer to one by ones Christian name as though one were a long lost friend. :rolleyes:
Gosh…….
If they put a camera down there – lets see the photos….:)
According to the normally-reliable IMDB, Nick Cage is still with us;-http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000115/bio
That ol’ rumour-mill keeps on a-churning…… Could almost be a song…!
Another week and we’ll be reading ‘Crated Spitfires Found by Elvis Under Vegas Strip-Club’….!
Well of course Nick, the whole discussion about the Birmingham rumour-mill was in parallel with the Burma saga. In both cases it was all about supposedly deliberately buried ‘Crated & Inhibited’ Spitfires, (Ie; not crash sites or abandoned junk/scrap.) for which there is still no precedent. 🙂
It strikes me that with some of the obvious provisos mentioned in previous posts here, a landowner can do pretty much what they like, as long as it is not ‘Development’.
I didn’t follow it, but I seem to recall a photo of a very battered wreck on the dump, then photos of what was left of the lower section of the fus being dug-up years later. Not exactly Cundalesque in terms of completeness. Andy seems to be playing it both ways 🙂
Naa….
Saw that one too. Wasn’t it a Boston in the marshes up by Liverpool..? Granted, it’s a big chunk of wreckage , but the drift here was abour rumour of substantial deliberate burying, like the ‘Burma/Birmingham Spitfires’. Anythings possible, but I cannot think of any such find. 🙂
Moved…
Photos showing the Halliwell hangars at Walsall Airport in 1939
http://www.airteamimages.com/de-havilland-tiger-moth_G-AFNS_-private_113635.html
http://www.airteamimages.com/de-havilland-tiger-moth_G-AFNP_-private_113719.html
Cheers,
Derek
Yes – that site used to have these listed under ‘Castle Bromwich’…..!
Camels…..!
Now there’s a thought to conjure with….! Strangely enough, decades before VACBAF was established, they were manufacturing aeroplanes at Castle Bromwich for the Great War……and no, I know nothing Mr.Fawlty…!
I’m sorry if I’ve upset one or two enthusiasts by calling a spade a spade, but general clutter dumped in the ground is ‘scrap’ by any normal definition. Just because we might dig stuff up today and value it doesn’t alter the facts.
I’m aware of most of the items listed by posters, but my point was clearly related to finding whole a/c buried/scrapped/hidden. Or quantities of engines perhaps. These adenoidal stories about Lancasters and Spitfires at VACBAF are for items of that order. I have little doubt that most wartime airfields might hold holes filled with some general scrap – but there is no precedent for whole machines. Yet.
I think the closest anyones going to get is all the stuff that was pushed-off the Carriers on there way back from the Far East. The good news is that ‘ALVIN’ has just been rebuilt…:diablo: