Which are your QII and QIII’s.
Just a rough guess of what is in NZ, which may mean I will miss one or two. This would be currently airworthy although there are probably another 5 or 6 that are close-ish.
3 x Rapide / Dominie
3 x Proctor (MkI and MkV)
1 x Fokker DVII replica
1 x Pfalz DIII replica
Thanks for that. Another eleven at least…! I hadn’t factored-in those replicas..:)
Gipsy Queens.
‘I’m including Six, Six Series II, QII & QIII. (I’m not including Q30 or later.)’ 🙂
Thanks for the info…… Anny idea on plane type where these props where used on?
As Anne said;-
Can’t think of any currently flying in NZ.
There are at least three Proctors and a Rapide I believe…:)
Thanks TC. I’m look forward to seeing your machines running. 🙂 I didn’t make it to Noth Weald sadly.
UK-wise, the CAA list a variety of machines, but of course quite a few are not airworthy and may not even have any prospect of flying in the foreseeable future, but I’m including them anyway as they are still on the Register. I’m looking at around a ten-year horizon. G-INFO lists for the UK population;-
Rapides;- 12, – 24 motors.
Comet;- 2 – 4 motors.
Proctors;- 6 listed (Are all yours on the list TC..?).
Vega;- 2.
Q6;- 1 – 2 motors.
Gull;- 0.
Mew;- 2.
Miles HSS;- 1.
Miles M3B;- 0.
Total 41.
This suggests that, worldwide, the number is more like 60-70. Lets see what comes out in the wash…!
I realise that there may be more engines stored, but I’m more interested in how many are going to be required to be kept airworthy. My knowledge on Miles a/c is very basic, :confused: so I might have missed a Six-powered type (such as the M3B onwards). If I’ve missed any other Six-powered a/c someone tell me please….:)
Does anyone in other countries have any numbers..?
Historic -Yes.
Quite a few Pobjoys have turned-up in Oz. Parts are a big issue, and a/c are often grounded for lack of same. They were fitted to a few interesting a/c, but the engines themselves were always dogged by unreliability. Whether modern technology could ameliorate their shortcomings is an interesting question. Certainly, – at the time they were in their heyday, even aviators with direct factory-support grew weary of their notorious unreliability. Historic – yes. Reliable – er, noooo… 🙂
Here we go again….
Of course AA is spot-on at post 13. Planemike, however, his allowing his simplistic example to confound him.
There is no evidence whatever that owners are acting to “…raze it to the ground and build a block of flats’. (If there is, state examples….????) All the evidence is to the contrary…or we’d have no airshows to go to…:p Why would they…? Owners have not only invested money, but often, years of toil…so – it’s an illogical example.
As for the “..without some consultation.” ….. Hasn’t this rubbish been chewed over ad nauseam already recently….? What do you want..? Owners and restorers to apply to you for ‘planning permission’….?????????? :rolleyes: Pulease.
Yes, owners are (Obviously..) custodians, but they are also the ‘doers’. Without their effort there would be nothing to conserve or for others to pontificate upon. These things do not happen in a vacuum, nor do posts on the internet fund them.
Ownership does in fact confer ‘absolute rights’, much as this may not fit into the anoraks view of an ideal world. Don’t confuse ‘interest’ and ‘rights’;-The former is free, the latter one has to pay for. They’re about as similar as vindaloo and congee. :).
I often detect a certain tetchyness, that certain folks feel that they should not only be kept informed, but even ‘consulted’…. – that many projects are kept ‘secret’. It’s something of a Curates Egg of course…:rolleyes: (I wonder why…!).
Frankly, if restorers had to apply to the www audience for approval (As well as the CAA etc.) for every screw and rivet, there’d be no flying and no bandwidth left….:).
To return to the original posters point, as we should. I’m sure the a/c’s in safe hands.
Why presume just because little’s been heard, – that littles been done…? 🙂 “It’s illogical Jim”….:)
The previous owner did pass-away some time ago. It was brought back from the IOM to the mainland several years ago, and is under rebuild to fly. New wings being built. Time consuming. Patience. 🙂
I’ve had old instruments like this. I’ve always presumed they’ve just faded with age. As it happens, they’ve all been US made. Perhaps a particular finish other than just paint.
It’s all c—………….
The nickname for the ship seems appropriate…KOK!.
I spotted that too, but felt too embarassed to point it out, lol…. Yes, it’s the ideal name…..:p
I feel old now.
Do Pitts qualify as ‘Historic Aviation’ now…? Blimey….I can feel my arthur-itis cutting-in already….:)
Colour schemes;- Simple rule… ‘The smaller the a/c, the simpler the scheme’…… busy schemes on small a/c don’t show-up in the air and just tend to look cluttered.
Pitt’s, little bhuggers, but you just have to love them…:diablo:
The biplane looks like a Stearman. 🙂
A Legend.
Excellent talk. He spoke for about 1:30 in total, without notes. Amazing for 94, it was fascinating to hear from a witness to unique events and experiences. I only hope that I’m half as lucid if I live that long. 🙂
Snoopy – so in the case of a Tiger Moth then where you have no data plate -just a log book you couldnt clone it ??
I think its far easier than people think for two people to effectively claim ownership of a machine .
Yes, dead easy, it’s called a Flying Group….:D