First Two Alergian Mig-29 SMT-2

I saw this about the first two new Mig-29 SMT-2 delivered and wanted to know if anybody had more information.
http://www.alert5.com/2006/12/algeria-receives-first-mig-29smts.html

“No Escape” is probably a bit of an exaggeration. The proper phrase should be “reasonable probability of a kill”.

Fighters have been known to evade even IR AAMs, and a short range IR AAM is a lot deadlier than a BVRAAM once you’re within range. The short range AAM is a lot more agile, due to smaller size and mass. It homes in on radiant energy that is far greater by a magnitude. The FOV of a radar seeker is quite limited; the antenna is usually just a fixed focal plane. On the other hand the heat seeker has its seeker on a gimball, so it can track its targets on a much wider FOV. Though if a BVRAAM loses its radar track, it may be programmed to turn around immediately and start hunting. but an heat seeker is still a lot more harder to shake off.

Typically, when you fire one BVRAAM, you wait for a number of seconds— practice usually determines what’s the best number of that should be. And then you fire a second BVRAAM. By then if the target has managed to evade the first missile, it would have spent all its energy and may not be able to evade the second one.

Even though ARH missiles are fire and forget, it’s always better to track your target in order to confirm a kill or not. If it still escapes, you may still need to finish it off with heaters. A target still has avenues where it can still manage to evade even 2 missiles, not just by maneuvering but also decoys and chaff.

Thanks crobato I’m temped to ask just to be totally clear what each missile can do and what capabilities are there but I’m sure I can search forum for that information. So modern missiles do or can be made to miss sometimes when deploying chaff/decoys and plus maneuvering. I have tons of reading to do I see and I know I saw a post a little while back with something like if a AA-11 was fired at 3 or 4 miles maybe I’ll start there. Thanks

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30km is roughly 19 miles

Your making me look up other mssiles now but I can see a fighter fires a few SD-10s then works his way in for IR shot I would assume. Pinko can I assume the J-10 is even more advance then the JF-17 overall? I read the J-10 is larger so it must be heavy compared a smaller JF-17? Can it still turn inside of a JF-17? China’s avaition industry is growing that’s for sure once they produce the engines and radar’s the future C/D models will be very dangerous fighters. It took time for our F-15/1618s to grow to it didn’t happen over night. My only draw back to both the JF-17 and J-10s is not much is known or released to the public. I read China has a few regiments of J-10s already if certain western aircraft get new tires they hold press Conferences it’s just different. If it’s not in the open it’s not real or there hiding something it’s how we think in the US.

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The SD-10’s range is 70 kms provided the missile is launched at a altitude of 6000 meters with both launching plane and targeted plane flying at Mach 1 head on. The Sd-10 is not secretive stuff because data is available since Zhuhai airshow 02. At such altitude, the non-escape zone of SD-10 is 30 kms plus.

Then for MICA, I think there’re plenty of data available online, it’s always been associated with “ too short” range.

I’m from the US, 3O kms is how many miles? With short range and high prices I’m undertanding why French aircraft sales are down. I did read there EMS, hope I got that right is very good. Keeping the enemies missiles on there rails a little longer is a good thing and so is not letting them lock on sooner too. I know little.

There are hundreds PAF personnel working on JF-17 project around the clock, you brought out your option, of course you’re suspicious you no need to deny that.

Deny what Pinko I look forward to the aircraft going active I’m just an aviation fan.

The French system is renewed for its high cost, and you also don’t aware that? Somebody in this forum may complain here’re too many Chinese stuff flowing, but we still see people totally not aware of Chinese developments in aviation arena. Look no further, here’s another Pakistani forum member who posted this :

I am aware that French systems cost more I mention that. Pinko when you say somebody in this forum may complain “not me I have like four posts in three years” have I ever said anything in any of my post anti-Chinese or Pakistan? Look them up. Your going to deep into my post I just didn’t like the your not quaiified comment I took that personnel you didn’t need to say that. Maybe to somebody who bashes Chinese/Pakistan avaition but not me.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1037846&postcount=164

Actually he even highlighted all the details you should pay attention to and to be someone really care of Pakistani military developments, he should not keep ignoring all the info just doors away but yet to claim” he don’t know”.

Again pinko to deep for me I never saw this post before, the one you attached. You could have posted back saying it would drive cost up, do more reserch, attach other posts to show me, The Chinese built radar has better range then the RC400, any of those would have been fine. I’m not at the same level as most of you guys are that’s whay I read 99 percent of the time and don’t post. It was personnel the way you said and didn’t like it and un called for.

Some hints here: The SD-10 is export version of PL-12.
I knew that.

MICA on the other hand, because in order to care take both “radar homing” and “IR” dual seeker, sacrificed speed and to some extent range.
The overall range of MICA is shorter than SD-10, which is compatible to AIM-120 up to C version.

I don’t know the range of either but reading these boards I assumed the MICA was second best overall. Not bashing pinko a real honest question. I always read that some type of proof is needed or use in real life, combat tested and so on. Can I asked you how do you know the SD-10 has more range then a MICA missile. I personnelly don’t know if the MICA was ever used in combat. Again I don’t know the range of either missile if you tell me or explain to me I do want to learn.

I hope I explain myself better and a little clearer and please search out all of my few post I never bashed China/Pakistan/JF-17 or really anybody. Just an aviation fan that’s all.

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Question

Would it be out of the question for Pakistan to buy the JF-17 from China and put French made engine like the M53-P2 match with Thales RC400 radar in it? Are there any restrictions placed on Pakistan currently that would block them from this type of request. It seems Pakistan could almost be flying this aircraft right now if they had an engine and radar basically. Going with an M53-P2, a well proven engine and the RC400/ MICA combo might be better then a Chinese made unknown radar and matched with the SD-10. I’m sure the cost would go up but Pakistan likes western style technical i.e. F-16s. There might be better radar out and maybe a more powerful engine but times wasting. Wouldn’t a setup like this or something like it still is better then Mirage-5 or Mig-21 copies the PAF currently operates? I was wondering how much the cost would go up and what re-design trade-offs might be involved in an adventure like this or could it even be possible. Thanks
http://www.mirage-jet.com/Propulsion/M53/m53.HTM
http://search.thalesgroup.com