nonpilotArgentina Russia
It is a little off subject but Patrick Robinson’s new book Ghost Force involves Russia with Argentina in a new Falkland Island war. I find it interesting that Argentina might buy Russian arms again sorry for going off topic.
nonpilotNeed help with this
Hi Bring it on
I like this idea and tried doing a search for Mig-29 using the search function on the top bar but it pull up to many other post. Can you help me fine tune my searches. Some of the topices I would like to have in groups like you started are:
*Mig-29
*Air to air missiles
*Countries that have two or more main fighter types. (mock comabt between the aircraft I like reading about this kind of stuff the best) like Egypt Mirage 2000/F-16, Peru Mig-29/Mirage 2000, and other like India, Turkey, Malaysia, etc. I want to read about what the pilots say about each type.
*Mirage 2000-C and 5 vs F-15 A/C , never see much about these two types going up against each in mock combat, it’s alway F-16 vs Mirage.
* Confirmed updated world aircraft sales like in sign contracts not talk.
* All air to air combat say for the last 25 years.
I’ll do the leg work if you tell me how I’m sure the answers to the above are already in this forum.
Thanks in advance,nonpilot
nonpilotCost
what about a MiG-35 with Thales RBE2 radar. i think it would be good for such customers like India.
I was thinking on a smaller scale like Peru which could cut cost on training and weapons. For Peru’s small air force I think 10 Mirage 2000-Ps and under 20 Fulcrums having the same radar, missiles, and training for personnel might be the way to go. For India don’t they have like 3 squadrons of Fulcrums and only 2 Mirage 2000s so the cost to overhaul and change out the Russian made radar’s might not bring the same results.
Reading about missiles and what other peoples post confuses me a little. From what I gather correct me if I’m wrong the AIM-120 is the best and MICA radar guided missile is a close second. Many people post about how un-proven the AA-12 is and its not operational in many air forces that fly Fulcrums and other Russian made aircraft. I read that Russia’s selling a improved version of the older AA-10. India’s Bison or Mig-21/93 uses the AA-12 currently and have perform live test. Is the improved AA-10 better or more trusted then the AA-12? Does India’s air force also use the AA-10. Which is better or is a cost issue. How does the IR version of the MICA compare to the lastest version of AA-11?
Thanks in advance nonpliot
nonpilotOn station
Hi Sentine
Thanks for the link but I did read that before. I guess there’s a gray area between being on station and escorting the Su-20/22s to there target or planned target. I did read either in this story or somewhere else that a Mirage 2000 did light up it’s radar but that was more or less the end of it. To me escorting means protecting what your escorting not just being on station in the area. Maybe Ecuador’s air force knew Peru didn’t have any radar guided missiles? As a outsider I can’t understand why Peru’s air force wouldn’t use there best aircraft during this time. It seems that Ecuador was much better prepared on there side of the border then Peru. Thanks again
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Can you provide a link or web page (English) where I can read about Peruvian Mirage 2000s used during the 1995 war, thanks.
nonpilotMig-29 vs F-18?
Hi Camaro
So how did the Fulcrums do against the F-18s? Thanks
long time no see baphomet 😀
i think the markings are SEMAG ( SErvicio de MAterial de Guerra or war material service) if my eyesight doesnt fail me (i’m gettin’ old 😀 )another…037 is part of the first batch aquired from bielarus, and the flying examples were also from the belarusian batch, word on the streets is that FAP’s wanted to show the “bad tongues” that they were “talking too much” 😀 , altough not all Migs are operational, its being said that 11 are.
about the M2k, its known that 6 at least are operational and 3 did exercise with ronnie’s F-18’s. 😎
Camaro.
nonpilotInvolved or not
Hi Sentine
Did this Peruvian news paper state that Mirage 2000-Ps were used? I just never read anything about Peru’s air force using there Mirage 2000s in the 1995 war period. Any other info you might have or know of please post it, thanks nonpilot
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I though I read that Peru’s Mirage 2000-Ps were held back from 1995 war and so no action? How did they escorted the A-37s then. Can you provide a link or web page (English) where I can read about Peruvian Mirage 2000s used during the 1995 war, thanks.
There is a peruvian web page ( in spanish), where mostly peruvians have said that at the time when the hostilities began in January 1995 there were no Mirage 5 available ( all of them grounded due to cracks on the planes estructure) ), four or five Sukhois SU-22 and only three Mirage 2000s ready for combat. Plus two Canberras. One also being claimed to be shot down by soldiers from the ecuadorean army.
There is also a publication made by an oficcial source from Lima-Peru that brings even a more dramatic information about the real situation of the peruvian Air Force during 1995. Even now 11 years after, the peruvian air force can only count with a very reduced number of fighters due to the poor maintanance made to the planes as was published in a peruvian neewpaper admiting that Peru only has four Mig-29s in airworthy condition. Although, there is a Russian offer to bring those Mig-29S to Mig-29 SMT standard, but the founds ($$$$$$) is their problem.
nonpilotCorrect me if I’m wrong but I though I read that Peru’s Mirage 2000-Ps were held back from 1995 war and so no action? How did they escorted the A-37s then. Can you provide a link or web page (English) where I can read about Peruvian Mirage 2000s used during the 1995 war, thanks.
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Camaro and the rest of You.
If the FAE never challenged the Mig-29s in 1997/1998 is for two reasons:
1) Like You said above, there was a Peace Agreement taking place, Not an act of war !!! unless for You both things mean the same.
2) Mig-29s from Peru did not enter ecuadorean airspace. Their order was to fly along the border but not to fly over ecuadorean territory. Why ? I don’t know what was the peruvian intention. Maybe scared the ecuadorean politicians so they sign the agreement on a hurry ???
The military mentality is different that what You think.
In Ecuador we are trainned to accomplish the mission order by our superior Officers no matter what the combat conditions are, how it was demonstrated on February 10 1995 when two Mirages F-1 from the Ecuadorean Air Force went to intercept a formation of Four Sukhois SU-22 escorted by two Mirage 2000s. The results: Two Sukhois Su-22 from Peru’s Air Force shotdown by magic AA missiles fired from the cockpit of the two Mirage F-1s. Proved??? The Mirages returned to their Base without missiles and the peruvian pilots never returned Home. AS SIMPLE AS THAT !!!!!
Meanwhile, Two Kfirs C2 intercepted two peruvian A-37s flying at low level, again, these being scorted by Mirages 2000s.
The result:
One A-37 shotdown and the other is not known its faith because when trying to escape, this A-37 entered into clouds at very low level where there was a mountain. Personally, I think that pilot didn’t make it to his Base eaither, simply because his picture or his actual situation hasn’t being properly presented, even in the Official Peruvian Air Force’s web site, where, by the way, the superiority that the some peruvians is claimed, simply is not shown.
nonpilotUnderground bases
Does anybody know if South America has any of these underground facilities or underground hangers and bases?
Thanks
nonpilotPeru
Hi Camaro
Has France ever offered to sell Peru used Mirage 2000s like the offer for Brazil? Thanks
good news, for FAB, congratilations 😉
now lets see…M2k-C/RDI/MICA, that’s something to be taken seriously 😎
i hope they do, ’cause i dont thrust R-530 nor any of the kind in todays electronic world
i wish somebody would disagree and show how.please CE, tell FAB’s boys to go for MICA 😀 (it is possible to integrate to the RDI, no doubt about)
Camaro.
nonpilotrush
Hey Carmaro
Rushing at work and didn’t read your whole post thanks for the Fulcrum type info.
Hey Cararo can you tell me which models Fulcrums?
nonpilotHey Cararo can you tell me which models Fulcrums?
Trident, my man 😎
thanks a million, great pics, i’m happy as hell 😀
nonpilot, for example, 037 is “S” and 048 is “SE”
Camaro.
nonpilotMig-29 version
Can somebody tell me which Fulcrums are the SE models and which are the older A models.
nonpilotMissiles
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the AIM-120s part of the deal was if Brazil bought the Falcons from the US. Will the US sell their AIM-120s even if Brazil buys their Falcons from Holland? Another question couldn’t the US beat Hollands offer or does the US want Brazil to buy the aircraft from them? Thanks
even if Brasil buys F-16’s from hell, lockheed will still be selling spares and the US will still give them amraams, there was never any trouble between the US and Brasil, to me Brasil will be much better with the combo F-16/amraam
the arguments about the Su-35…to me the only system still to be developed for the Su-35 was CUSTOMERS, nothing else. 😉
Camaro.
nonpilotF-16 missiles
1.Will the US still allow Brazil to buy Slammers for the Dutch Falcons?
2. If the US holds back the Slammers what are some of Brazil’s choices for missiles?
3. Off the wall question- Could you armed an F-16 with Mica missiles? Could customer put the Mirage 2000-5s weapons system, radar, etc into a F-16?
Thanks
Just to add more confusion in this matter. I have received this information in a local (Brazil) military forum on the internet.
Dutch officials will arrive in Brazil on June 6 to discuss with FAB and government officials an offer for 10 F-16AM and 2 F-16BM with a further option for 1 single and 1 two seater. Total price US$ 84 million and it is not a lease, it will be the price for purchasing the entire batch. Training and weapons arenot included in this amount.
Any comments?
Regards,
nonpilotWar ideas
I have tons of ideas but I’m at work and can’t write. Tonight when I get home I’ll put up a few. I too begun writing a book and pick South America but never even came close finishing. Writing is a skill that I don’t seem to have but I have ideas. Tons or reaserch is needed and you need to back-write into your story line how these countries upgraded their aircraft and weapons and how they paid for it. It takes from three to five years to train pilots well and I don’t know about maintenace personnel. More later.
Just a little something to get away from India/Pakistan violence. In recent years (ie. since the US removed many of the rules of arms sales to the region) South America has become quite an interesting region concerning purchases. So far we have seen Peru purchase the MiG-29 and Su-25. Chile has decided to purchase the F-16. Brazil looks like it will purchase the Su-35 and has purchased the A-4. Venezuela wants to upgrade the F-16 fleet. Ecuador needs a new type to match Peruvian superiority. Argentina has its “new” Fighting Hawks. Just one question comes to mind about all this, whats with all the new equipment???
I know the old saying “To maintain peace you must be prepared for war” but these fellas are just starting a regional arms race. I can understand Peru and Ecuadors need to keep up with each other and Brazils need to defend its interests off shore, but no actual aggresion exists between any of these nations save Peru and Ecuador, does it???
Brazil already has the best force in the region outside of Perus Mirage 2000P amd MiG-29 fleets, Venezuelas F-16s (not really sure about these old birds posing too much of a threat) and Chiles Pantera upgrades so I guess the introduction of the Su-35 (if it goes ahead) has some sort of logic. It will certainly guarantee Brazil remains top dog for some time. But does Brazil really face a threat to its borders???
Chile as far as I know has resolved its despute with Argentina over the border a long time ago…and seems to have good relations with Peru. Is the F-16 meant to “defeat” the M2KP or MiG-29 threat???
Peru and Ecuador are obvious candidates for arms purchases so enough said about these two.It would be really helpful to me if anyone here knows of any potential large scale conflict which could erupt in the region as this will help me with my – not going too well – novel. I think South America would be a bit of a break from “The Evil Ruskies invade the great Western European alliance” kind of c*** we seem to be having a lot of these days.
P.S.
If anyone has any ideas about fictional causes for a conflict in the region which may give me some ideas PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE post them.
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