Hmm, Crobato, no I don’t keep busy with fake stuff…
But, that bow indeed, doesn’t come from anything else, I wanted to note that on my last post too. I didn’t have a clue where it came from. Now could it be the Bow from Yuan, but taken from a different picture? I don’t see the sense in doing so, but even then, I don’t see any use in PSing in general. I did know you need two pictures, one to pull parts off and one to put these parts on 🙄
The hole, I don’t see any 3D in that, it’s just a larger black dot, hence can be turned around without us noticing… (I think it’s a hole for measuring temperature, salinity etc, hence determining the sonarconditions for the bow/hullmounted sonar)
On the other hand, that bow does look like a Swedish bow, Gotland or Vastergotland…
That tarpaulin theory seems ok too, the rest of the submarine is covered with tarpaulins, maybe the bow too? Although it’s unlikely, I wouldn’t be surprised.
The Lada indeed has diving planes on the conning tower–> see the SSK thread, I posted some pictures of it in there.

SOrry, it was a reply to Jonesy’s post… (I’m just ignoring you :p 😉 ) And it, was indeed meant as NSM.

Deftones, Korn, Slipknot, System of a Down, Rage against the Machine and so on. Most of my collection is American…

Nice ship, looks like a Stealthified Gepard class corvette. It’s of course even heavier armed with 8 SSMs instead of 4. Otherwise it’s the same, RAM and the OTO Melara gun… Very practical for patrol duties.

Jonesy, warships are easy to find. When we entered the Gulf, I could pick them out from 50 radarcontacts. They sail at abnormal speeds, too close together (wouldn’t want to try that with a merchie) and constantly alter course (mostly avoided in Merchant, only done when very very very necessary, slows you down and gives a shock to the shaft as you probably know.) also the contacts can be disciminated by radarsignature. The Warships had a very remarkable signature compared to the Merchant vessels. I could even pick out the Burke (which I didn’t know was there, but soon heard JMSDF Kongo was around, afterwards saw her in Jebel Ali). On our very simple radars, I could recognise a containership too. Maybe the Missile bases its selection on that too. It would easy too fool when you know it, but of course it’s probably secret.
Here’s the rest of the page, has nothing to do with this, but I don’t want to keep it for myself 😀

New atomic subs for India
06.11.2004 14:53

Last week the head of the federal agency on industry Boris Aleshin inspected the Far Eastern enterprises he is in charge of. One of the key point of the tour was the two days visit to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur based Amur Shipyard (ASZ). During the visit the parties signed the agreement on completing the construction of the two nuclear subs that had been conservated before. The project 971 Schuka-B subs will be finished for the Indian Navy. They were laid down in mid 80s for the Pacific Navy of Russia. The works were suspended due to lack of financing. Today one sub is 60% ready, another was put in the water in 1998 and was called Nerpa. Early 2002 the reactor was started on this sub. Today Nerpa is ready to the degree of 85%. Completing the subs require RUB70m annually, but the MoD does not allocate the means.

According to the deputy governor of Khabarovsk region Sergei Zrazhevsky the plant will start works this month. The decision of the main order has been taken, the work had been long suspended, now it will go on, he said.

According to unofficial information the agreement with India was reached during the visit of th President Putin to India in Dec, 2002. The project is evaluated at 1.7-1.8$b. Delhi has already remitted the advance payment of $100m. After completing the subs they will be removed to the branch of ASZ, the Bolshoi Kamen based plant Vostok for tests. Last year Vosotk hosted the Indian delegation which studied the site for testing nuclear subs. Apart from that in 2001 Indians Severodvinsk studied project 971. – ShipBuildingRu

I don’t believe all of it though…

Hmmm, I’ll give it a last try… I indeed introduced that 3 carrier case, yet afterwards I have explained myself by saying it was only an insurance. I gave you the example of a single carrier afterwards. It can do basically the same job, yet with 3 carriers it takes a little less long.
[quote]Roel, without targetting you do not stand a chance of doing any meaningful damage to a US carrier group in blue water. As was proven by the Serbians in Allied Force though its very hard to totally nail down every tactical aircraft and every mobile missile system ashore. Sooner or later the US fleet would have to move inshore with their amphibs if the mean to effect a forced entry. This is the point that a volume strike with shore-based, helicopter-launched and, perhaps, even aircraft launched 140km ranged missiles could be effective. NSM being easier to employ in this situation owing to its lack of reliance on targetting assistance and greater countermeasure resistance than an ARH weapon.

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I think you are forgetting something. I suppose that if you fire a Granit in a certain direction, it might find its target by itself if it’s not too far off. This is only an assumption. What the real point is, these ships all carry their own helicopter. If a Kirov would launch its helicopter and that helo stays within the S300F cover, it can still guide the missiles and be relatively safe. For Kuznetsov, the helo even has the cover of the Su-33. So, the satellites can even be ruled out for this case. The Oscars of course need the satellites, but when, given the late-Soviet way of thinking they are just below the surface group to protect the SSBNs, they can use the helos of Kuznetsov and Kirov.
With your NSM on the other hand. I have only mentioned the GPS mistakes, what I didn’t mention and what I cannot even STRESS enough, is the fact that GPS is controlled by US!!! This is what is told at school for 1,000 times now. That’s the reason why we learn to use those stars and charts. If you’re in the Gulf, and there is a Gulfwar going, your GPS will say you are somewhere in antarctica. US changes the frequencies of the GPS system and there you go. We also noticed that in our cars back then. Also when there’s a sunstorm (or whatever that is called in English) the GPS gets a bit cluttered.
Now, you imagine you want to use NSM against US… Do you think you can use it? NO
Against one of US allies (or at that moment seen as US allies for certain reasons)? NO
Basically the only country that will use that weapon in a reliable way is US itself… GPS is controlled by them. Hence no other country will always be able to rely on it.

You just got to love this man and his nice pictures!

Haven’t been on the ship, but looks remarkably similar to the Harbin class destroyer’s interior. Of course that’s no proof. It is the TAVITAC copy. They could be this happy with the system that they have incorporated it in 168 and 169 too of course… Or improved it but kept the lay-out.
Nice coastal bombardment ship, well that’s what I suppose it is. These things have about the size of a RAM launcher too :). Well, a single 25 round launcer, so the missiles are probably similar in size with RAM. Although, probably for a different role. (Wouldn’t see the use of a ship with so many point-defense missiles and no other role except defending itself. Maybe it’s a sailing decoy 😉 )