you want to put 10 extra weapons in it? Then the thing ‘ll get much bigger. And of course that speed doesn’t really matter, since when you are going at 30kts to your target, they’ll hear you quite well. Normally the supersilent speed of a SSN is 3-5kts, then there is a rather silent mode, for LA class up to 15kts,I think for SeaWolf that’s 20kts, but all that’s faster than these will make the sub very noisy. If your opponent has an SSN around, your AAW ships won’t be able to do much about that… And the SSN will definitely hear you when you try to run away.
I don’t think that’s Amur’s role anyway, you are giving Amur the Oscar SSGN role in your proposal. It’s not meant to do that, better to send some Su-30MKIs with Brahmos in there, that’s much more flexible and you can give them a better cover with additional AAW planes.
(sorry, NR-1 is the smallest nuclear sub, albeit a research sub)

I think you haven’t really read the thread did you Stefan? Most Granits fly low, only a single one is up. As long as those low missiles stay there, they’re safe. You might get a good assumption that they are there, but you won’t see them, neither will you be capable of engaging them. Neither do you know the number of coming missiles, unless you have that E-2C up, but then you need the carrier again… And even then, i don’t think the SM-2 is that much of great low-altitude attacker at such long ranges…
And before you ask, when the high flying one is shot down, indeed the second one climbs up.

SSN9? A submarine?
Or the Malakhit missile? If the Malakhit missile, it’s used by the Charlie II submarines and Nanuchka missile craft. It’s somewhere between Exocet and Harpoon in performance.

I suppose both? Japanese forces are very capable, having their own superb SSKs and lots of ships with ASROC, several helos and of course Orions. I think they’re very capable in this field. And the Chinese subs aren’t exactly top-notch either.
It could also be luck. There is a fire-exercise area of the Japanese navy very close to that area… The Chinese/Korean sub could have been sent to spy around there. And of course the detecting ships could have been involved in the fire exercises too. I don’t know the exact coordinates anymore, but I think it was near Okinawa, a bit north of Sakishima. It was marked by a point, with a circle with a radius of approx 37miles around it. I suppose that makes just enough space for ASROC launches? and of course live firing of the guns. So, the Japanese submarines and planes might have been involved in exercises in that area. And by good luck discover the submarine?!

Huh? Jonesy what are you talking about? It is agreed to have one missile ABM system for each party. US chose not to have any because they had a two-type-missile defence, Spartan and Sprint. Hence they removed the system because the components couldn’t work whithout the other. Russia didn’t, they chose to keep one type of ABM missile, and that only around their capital. The status of this system is doubtful though. And what makes you conclude that really is an ABM site? I could identify that LPG-tanker, but I can’t see any missiles, radars or other stuff here, except for some very weird shapes and a nice roadsystem. Could be piece of land prepared for a new village 😀

Yeah Garry, a merchie ship isn’t an easy target as you think. The engine room isn’t a garanty for killing it either. It’ll have no propulsion anymore it won’t be sunk. The merchant ships are built to surivive two fully flooded compartments. Engine room included. Even trying to explode an LPG carrier might be hard. It has inerted spaces all around the tanks and liquid gas doesn’t really burn, only the fumes would ignite.
As for a supersonic weapon, indeed it might have a better chance for doing so, because a subsonic one probably won’t get through the inerted spaces. The supersonic one might, by its kinetic energy, get into the tank and explode. Yet this is only one single type, the most dangerous (a large LPG-carrier is about as strong as 2 Hiroshima nukes when it explodes)/vulnerable type of ship. A large Bulkcarrier will probably not even feel the impact of a Granit, only when it strikes a vulnerable part maybe, but considering the ship only has about the last 30m of its 200-300m length as vulnerable, that chance is small. Yeah I’m safe when you come in my area 😉 . I can survive this hit, yet you won’t survive a collision with these ships. I always wondered what a warship would do when we went straight at them…

How very silly of me – the weapon is 4500kgs of solid steel isnt it? A little peashooting RAM wouldnt make a dent!. Perhaps your forgetting about the slightly vulnerable control surfaces, seeker electronics, fuel tank etc, etc?. Plus everyone always talks about the massive kinetic energy that these antiship weapons store up on their flight. What kind of energy release are we talking about IF a RAM happens to physically hit the inbound weapon?.

As for Jonesy, Gary’s correct on that. It’s of course not a full 4.5tons of steel, yet if you Consider your RAM-Granit case, the mass of RAM is quite impuny compared to the mass of Granit, hence it will probably not stop the missile. As I already said here, if a Styx (albeit lucky) survived a hit of an OSA-MA, a missile comparable to SeaSparrow, and still hit its target, a RAM will probably not stop Granit either. I also have said that the vulnerable parts are protected by titanium, I suppose these include the fuel tank and maybe parts of the seeker…

Can’t be the radar either, since we had two of them, both in use back then, both giving same result… Was inside the Japanese waters. (eek, they were jamming us)