OverG, yes there are some land-based CIWS. China has truck mounted Type730 (Goalkeeper look-alike).
Also, the Russian Tunguska is some kind of land-based Kashtan.

Steve, can you tell me which ship carries the NSM? Indeed, None up till now. Skjold is supposed to carry it and probably the Fridjorf Nansen too.
Yet it’s not there yet, so in that case, the Russians are still ahead, cause most of their systems are active for almost a decade.

P-700 is able to perform all these wonders simply by virtue of its size. If a smaller supersonic weapon were able to penetrate naval defences do you think the Russians would have incorporated all the penetration-aids they have on Granit?.

P-700’s size also limits it as an efficient weapons system. Whats the point of having some of these, very powerful, weapons if you dont have a Kirov or OscarII to fire them. Whats the point of having these weapons if your ISTAR capability doesnt allow for positive targetting control at x00kms standoff distance. Lastly these are big expensive weapons what is the smallest target thats worth a Granit attack? A 4000 ton escort?. A 9000ton AEGIS destroyer? Granits’ buddy-designation attack profile is very clever, but, what happens if the hi-profile missile is taken down prior to terminal-phase designation and the remainder of the group miss or hit ‘low-value’ targets due to the lack of update?. If you’re only starting the engagement with 20 P-700’s in your inventory a wasted salvo diminishes your chances of acheiving your strategic and tactical aims.

This is not to dispute the fact that the Russians have some powerful antiship missiles, but, it illustrates that, to get those advantages, they have had to make sacrifices in operational practicality terms. The missiles are dangerous, but, only in certain operational conditions.

As for Granit, If you shoot the hi-flyer, the second one fired goes up and switches on its radar. Takes command. The Attack just resumes, if the second one is shot, the third goes up etc. It is not clear how many missiles one can command, statements go from 1 command missile up for every 8 missiles to 1 command missile for 12 missiles… I suppose it might depend on the platform. They DO have that Kirov cruiser, soon a second one again too. And they DO have these Oscars.
It’s an expensive weapon, but if all your ships are laden with it and you’re in a situation where a CVBG is in front of you, you don’t look at the money, you just fire. Granit can determin the size of its targets. The command missile will take four missiles with it to the carrier, and the other missiles in the flight, if they are not shot down at longer ranges, are being sent to smaller targets, the escorts.
An Oscar will not fire on a single frigate, these are anti-carrier weapons and meant to be deployed against CVBGs. For Frigates and smaller vessels I suppose it would one of its 650mm or 533mm torpedoes.
It was also the purpose (doctrine) of having 5 Oscar subs for 1 CVBG, so, the attack would involve quite a lot of Granits, possible from different angles too.
Indeed they sacrifice some other things, they have to pay for the expensive Oscar, and of course the design of Oscar isn’t very “optimal”. On the other hand, it allows for not building these huge carriers, which I suppose are still more expensive than an Oscar sub. The targetting system of Granit is very complex, involving RORSAT, other satellite systems and planes etc. And yes, nowadays it is doubtful whether all these systems still work. Although I don’t think they would keep the system if it didn’t… Anyway, it does allow for targetting from these huge ranges.
What do you exactly mean by its size? A smaller supersonic weapon didn’t exist back then, the size was necessary for its range and speed. It of course also allowed for these “extra” features to be incorporated, I think these “extras” were meant for increasing the chance of a hit, not necessary for making the hit (meaning, it could do without, but everyone wants to be that little bit more sure to succeed). Now, there are smaller supersonic weapons around, which do not have these features.

For JonS, who said the Granits were coming from the same direction? You can point your 11 box launcher in the direction of one, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the other missiles are coming from the same way.
For Jonesy on this point, it’s better to have multiple planes with a single missile, gives flexibility and allows to attack from three or more different directions, hence create some more trouble for the defenses.

Not that simple. The launch transient, if the SSN skipper is any good, can be screened in the targets baffles. Mk48’s, like most current-generation HWTs, can be fired on low speed settings and steered off course to attack a target on a dogleg bearing to that of the launching sub. Firing a Shvkal down an inbound bearing is not necessarily a good ‘revenge’ attack. More likely is that the Russian might try an active sweep and a snapshot before attempting evasion and so employ the weapon on a confirmed target. Even that is dicey though as an active sweep would tipoff the attacking SSN skipper that a weapon might be about to be heading back at him.

I knew that, yet I’m not that sure wether the Russian sub won’t hear the slow mode either… You still have to open those torpedo hatches before a launch too.
If the Russian one does do that active sweep and warn the attacking sub of an incoming weapon, it’s already too late for the attacking sub, don’t forget Shkval reaches 200 or 250kts… And if the Russian sub attacks, it’ll be from Shkval’s short range, meaning the attacking skipper will have no time at all to get out. And you know how slow a ship reacts…

Even if you were right Jon what this means is that a saturation subsonic skimmer attack is more likely to defeat a RAM-equipped ship than a couple of heavy supersonics. Two strike fighters carrying four subsonics apiece would be more likely to be successful, against such a target, than if they were carrying single heavies.

As I already mentioned, gives more flexibility to your attack and of course, if you arm a plane with these subsonic missiles, like Harpoon or Exocet, you’ll have to close up to 130km (a bit closer if you want your missile to have some fuel left to increase its effectiveness in the hit), within the ranges of certain AD systems. If you carry one of these heavy long-range missiles, you can stay out of these systems’ ranges and get out with your planes.

The Guidance of Phalanx is used on Sea RAM, this one only has a 11-round missile pack. That’s also what concerns me. Also, the range of RAM gives it a slight advantage over Phalanx, yet I don’t think it will be capable of engaging multiple targets. Maybe 2, but certainly not 4 (when these 4 are all supersonic ones). Phalanx can only take out 1 target…
But what is certain is that Russia has the advantage in this type of missiles. They have Uran and the earlier Siren as Harpoon comparatives too. They have about every type of missile against ships. Although it is said that the Harpoon drone they used (a converted KSR-5 I think it was) was seen as the hardest targets. (for Kinzhal at least)

yeah, I agree, the last paragraph is over the top… These three stupid Agosta’s aren’t going to turn the tide. About the maritime patrol aircraft, yes indeed, yet India is getting and having a carrier, and an Exocet or Harpoon is well within the range of the carrier’s aircraft.
The Sublaunched Exocet is just rubbish. Much-too short ranged. I’m sure you can even SEE the point from where it’s launched from the carrier. The horizon is large enough for that. If you are very attentive, you can find that sub quite easily. Also, the defenses of IN are quite good, with Kashtan, Barak, Shtil…
Another note is that Pakistan has a quite weak surface fleet, not able to cover the submarines on top. When IN gets a good maritime patrol craft (which they have in form of the IL-38, yet they have too few of these aircraft), those Agosta’s will be quite busy.

It’s normal warhead. Harpoon has 210-220kg, Exocet even less, I think 170-180kg. Brahmos’s speed adds a bit to the letality. Of course you won’t really kill a carrier with it…
Generally, two Harpoon hits are seen as enough to kill any medium-sized ship, frigates and destroyers that is. For Kirov, 5 hits is seen as necessary. For a US carrier, US doesn’t calculate that 🙂

Having a 100submarines and more than 100 major combattants and building 4 major ones in 1.5 years isn’t making anyone scared is it? 😉

cru,
The Tomahawk model the TASM, is taken out of service a long time ago. It was simply too slow and the ship that it was supposed to find and hit had already disappeared when the missile entered the scene…
Having an IR system that detects it or a radar that detects it doesn’t make you capable of intercepting it. That’s also why the high speed is necessary and also the reason for the heavy S-manoeuvering of the attacking missiles. Give it a try. Even if you hit, that doesn’t necessarily mean you kill it. There has been a case where an old Styx missile sank the missile craft Musson after being hit by an OSA-M (SA-N-4 Gecko) missile. Also the debris of a Granit or Bazalt missile could hit your SPY-panel, taking it out just by impact.
Also, Granit has its vital components protected by titanium armor.

What makes you think the Russians can’t find a US sub? Even then, it was a retaliation weapon. When a US sub fires a torpedo, it will almost be certain that this will be a wire guided one. Russians can hear this torpedo. If they do this, they just fire a Shkval in the direction of that torpedo. A Wire guided one has btw a smaller range than a non-wire guided one, for obvious reasons.
If they fire it to the US sub, the US will have to cut the wire and try to get out. By cutting the cable, they somewhat decrease the controll over the torpedo (and in some cases, render the torp ineffective) and loose a lot of information on the target.