hmmm, he’s a Belgian they happen to do that kind of things. I think he works for the Belgian state, they always rape you and your bank account! :diablo:
oh I see, you mean really turboelectric propulsion… I never heard anything about that on Victor or any other submarine. It would make this sub very silent, yet the Akula is even more silent. Well it is said that the Victor is more quiet than an Akula when that Akula is badly maintained. Akula has more extensive silencing measures, but these on their behalf need a lot more maintenance and considering the Russian thinking about maintenance 😮
I see what you mean with those transversal tubes. I don’t think any sub has that. It’s used a lot on surface vessels. Merchant vessels use it mostly, sometimes LPDs and other large ships use it too. It’s a huge electricity-eater, if you don’t warn the engine-room before using these, you risk to lose your entire electricity supply. The engine room just has to put every single Auxiliary on for using these bow and stern thrusters. They’re also only effective at speeds of about 2-4kts (the latter number really being the maximum). Otherwise the flow of water along the tubes is too strong.
I don’t see what this could help for Victor or any other sub. Indeed at the really slow and silent speeds, these tubes could be used. But I don’t see the use of it. It moves your ships laterally, 90° on your heading. To avoid a torpedohit, it makes your ship move too slow (they’r used for mooring these large vessels). For any other manoeuver, I don’t see which one it would be useful, certainly considering the extra-cost, extra burden on your electricity supply and extra-noise generated by these large holes (diameter about 1.5-2m)
put your radar off and run?
I know US Navy doesn’t do this, they have the shoot-everything policy. Even Kh-31…
oh, I see motor vehicle department…. Yeah they always try to rip you off. first you pay about 500e for driving lessons, then you have 35€ for the exam, another 37€ if you have to do it again. And of course, for the piece of paper called Licence you have to pay about 16€.
And now EU wants to make us do that every 10 years, well the exam that is…
Regs
Roel
Hmm, good questions. I’ll have to take a look at the drawings when I get back. (have to hop from one place to the other). The complete drawing has the numbers with the (Russian) explanation below. Had to cut it away to post it here.
Anyway, what do you mean with Turboelectric? As I said, it’s nuclear propelled. I think item 49 is the back-up diesel engine, every SSN has its back-up conventional engine to get to port when something happens with the reactor.
Russian mini-pump tunnel? Can you explain?
mini-props are indeed there, like on Alpha. I haven’t seen any Victor III in dry-dock, so I’m not sure whether it is really there… These little two props probably have to do lots of rounds to get a decent speed, I think that would add to the noise generated by cavitation.
I have indeed thought about that MAD technology too. I agree that it seems the only possible non-accoustic way of detecting a submarine. Yet, I don’t see how it could be applied. The Victor’s body mass of steel is very large, hence I don’t see how they could determin anomalies and keep the thing from going mad(MAD :dev2: ) by its own mass.
I did succeed the exam! They probably saw on my face that if I failed, I would just drive into the building trying to hit as many examinators as possible :diablo:
MVD? that is?
Akula style hull? Yes. Blended sail, no, November already had it.
As for Blended sail, I think it’s lower compared to the US style sails, gives a slightly smaller range for your radar while surfaced. Also better for hydrodynamics I suppose.
Yet, the US sail might add something to the stabilisation of the ship, not sure though.
BELGIUM
Here we go, I hope it works. I have larger versions of them too.
It’s a nuclear propelled sub. SSN. As for double hull, yes, it reduces the noise a bit since it makes a “buffer”. Yet it makes your sub larger/heavier. I’ll try to dig up a nice cutaway drawing of it.
I suppose geniuses come with the same logical solution for the same problem. I hadn’t seen the back of both aircrafts though… SOrry for that.
Sure they have commissioned it. Whether it is ready? Doesn’t have SSMs yet. We’ve seen two tubes mounted once, but that’s all.
Is there a chance that Slava has somewhat similar engines as Type 52B and C? The latter types are both equiped with Ukraine (-ian?) Gas Turbines. Slava too I think. And even if this is not the case, they can buy spares from Ukraine or manufactur their own parts. Our Navy operates ships with engines that have no spares anymore. Not in the entire world. They just produce their own parts onboard the ship if small and ashore if large. Warship engines are quite small compared to merchant ships hence the parts aren’t that large too. I’d agree if it were a 4m tall cilinder you have to make… But that’s not the case on warships.
Generator sets and osmosis water plants are all changeable if you want to do that. It’s not even military, they can order them from a commercial company with the next overhaul or refit.
Although, I agree with Jonesy and Crobato, China won’t buy it. It’s too much effort to change its role and it’s too useless if you just take off the Bazalt missiles.
Doesn’t that L15 look rediculously similar to Yak-130?
Steve, the Bazalt system would be gone, since that’s not allowed for sale (I’m against this ban though… UK and now Netherlands recieve Tomahawks too), the S300F they have already purchased, so they’d have the spares and missiles already. Probably their own production of them too. The AK-630 and AK-130 they have already on the Sovremennies and AK630 on Type 54 too. As for Engines etc. they might put their own stuff into it. Other spare parts, I don’t know whether they’ll need too many of them. Personally haven’t seen any ship getting new plating etc. These things are built for 40 years of service if necessary.
But, I agree that it would still be a pain in the ass, since the crews will have trouble swapping one ship for another etc.
The fact that they do have the S300F, is probably an indication that they will build a ship for it. Couldn’t it be based on Slava? I think that’s what JonS meant, they need a hullshape to fit this system in. It’s not just tonnage that allows a certain system.
The Ukraine cruiser looked and was said to be 95% complete. Won’t take that long if China would provide money to finish it. The problems for Ukraine were the cost of the crew. They wanted to reduce the crew, otherwise they would take out some systems and the third option was selling it. It seems that they have decided to sell it. It would be most logical that Russia bought it. Yet I don’t think they will do so. Russia itself has declared two or three days ago that it would not add any ships to its fleet, only making effort in upgrading and maintaining their current fleet.
Yeah they thought of it, yet only on a model…
The Ukraine Slava had the Top Dome for sure. No Tombstone there.
Yeah the idea was having the Slava with Tombstone and S300FM system and Vulkan SSM. That would have enhanced her force quite a bit.
For Jonesy, China has bought two Rif modules, it won’t be so much extra. The Bazalt they won’t get that anyway so that won’t be a new maintenance burden either. But of course it will be “some” extra burden to get all parts for the ship ready. And Russia will of course not sell any of theirs.
For the Type 52B and C, I think they might have quite some parts in common with each other, hence a reduced effort too. Also, why do they build only two of each? Still testing? The Slava is a proven ship, with proven systems, hence would give them some extra punch directly when they receive it.