And some more here… The follow on versions, the Klub 91RE1 with it’s torpedo (APR-3)(from the same Slovak magazine):
And the 83R again.
The best drawing, having 81R, 83R and its torpedo, 91RE1 and its torpedo etc. is too large to post here. 😡
The driving force? The thought that after the fall of USSR, US had to take the task of being the police of the world. The little glitch in their thought was of course that the rest of the world really wasn’t waiting for a policeman…
Here it is, I made a mistake on the file type/size…
The pictures come from a Slovak magazine, an article about the Novator designs (well, predominately ASW missile designs). Will post some nice pictures of the different Klub missiles too, better than thos Kanwa pics :p
83R seems to be the torpedo carrying variant of SS-N-16.
Meteorit, I have seen your site several times over, I’ll try to sort this out to the last tid-bit of information for you.
Hmm, tell me which one is aggressive and which one isn’t according to you, cause I lost the line here… IMHO, US is aggressive because she simply abuses her current forces, attacking all countries around the world with a quite weak argument (and afterwards when things get sorted out they say it was the CIA who made the mistake because the media and public can’t simply protrude in that organisation).
China isn’t attacking YET, but that might still come…
Here are some pictures of Talwar’s VLS system. I first doubted it was a true 90° VLS, but now we know…
Quite clear. (Hmm something went wrong with the best picture it came out 800+kB… 😮
now, there we go.
No, the source says there is only a nuclear tipped depth charge version and a Torpedo carrier. They do have a different range due to the heavier warhead. The Nuclear tipped one has a range of 46km and the torpedo carrier has a range of 37km. No HE warhead at all… I have some very nice pictures for you guys (yes indeed I’ve been asking all my sources about it now).
This is the UGMT-1M, the “warhead” of the 83R.
Launch of a 83RN version of the Neustrashimiy frigate.
Well that’s it for now, I have some more nice tables etc. But have to try to get them smaller to get them uploaded here… 😡
Eastern Mediterranian? Well Moskva and Smetliviy were there (in Malta) few weeks ago. In Western Med, Neustrashimiy and Bespokoiny (or Nastochiviy) were there. (I do not know who else, was it only these two ships?) Who were they, Neustrashimiy I’m sure, but the other I don’t know.
It wasn’t me Frank, honestly 😀 You know my number so that isn’t the problem and I really wouldn’t hide it for you. I do think we have that call-back system…
You better keep him a friend cause you’ll need ALL your friends (including JC Vandamme)if you want to see me floating in the Antwerpse Dokken :diablo:
You have a secret admirerer :rolleyes:
The other presidents were scared of attacks, which seems to be justified as we saw.
You don’t have to tell me how much it costs to maintain a fleet. I was sailing on that LPG-carrier lately and got to hear how much That cost… $33,000 for each day we sailed, that were only the cost of the crew’s wages and the average of fuel (we used 52t a day of heavy fuel oil+ an amount of diesel for manuevering in port). Now I suppose I know what it costs to keep such a fleet operating. And these guys use much more fuel, since turbines are very consuming (yet give greater speed, unnecessary for a gastanker).
With stationary I meant that they didn’t receive that many new ships and have even seen several get cancelled. But now, all kinds of new projects seem to arrive.
Hmm, I didn’t know these were Test-71 torps, thank you for that info. They seem to paint a lot of torpedoes green and that always confuses me.
I’ve been thinking about that shroud too. As it doesn’t seem to be similar to any of the pictures posted above. Therefor I was thinking about a new torpedo payload, or just a shroud. I suppose the latter is most probable. I think it runs with these small bars on top, I suppose that’s to reinforce it and protect the torpedo’s sonar. I’ll try to see what that is, I have a much larger version of this picture and there I can read what is on top of that cap.
I took a look: Zond Lapard (or Lapara) And judging from the other angle, the bad quality pic, there seem to be some more words on top. I suppose it would help if we could get this translated already.
Now, prepare here is Jonesy in his boat, when I encountered him in Africa:
(Indeed he’s a skinny black man and he completely lost control when he saw my boat 😀 )
I didn’t know about C-803, I thought it was some kind of new NATO designation system. Thanks for the explanation, so in fact everyone is always talking about export versions! Do you know what the real designation of the sub-launched YJ missile?
Here she is, the better version of the upper picture. Well it’s in fact a different picture, which gives more of the Torpedo room. As you can see, on the upper left is the same weapon. And the two on the rack down (well the most right one you can’t see on this one, but on the real picture I can see it). That makes three out of 6 weapons in this picture Vodopad or whatever version it is… Or is it just a protective cap on this torpedo? Or just a newer torpedo on the same rocket?
Ok Jonesy, can’t promise anything, this system has always been quite secret and sometimes he doesn’t like telling me or sometimes he does and asks me NOT to put that in public. But, this is very out of his “interest”. But I’ll ask it anyway.
That depth charge would indeed be a bad idea. I’ll post the acig post about this system here:
“A 1960 decree of the Soviet government directed the development of a new generation of submarine-launched ASW weapons. The decree assigned several of the country’s top research activities to the program, with the initial effort placed under a most unusual chief designer, Lieutenant General Fyodor Petrov, an artillery and rocket specialist. Two variant of the new weapon would be produced as the RPK-2 V’yuga (blizzard), with both given the NATO designation SS-N-15 Starfish. The V’yuga-53 variant had a diameter of 533-mm and – like the U.S. SUBROC – would carry a nuclear depth bomb; the Soviet weapon had a 20-kt kiloton warhead. After launching from a standard torpedo tube, the weapon would streak to the surface, where its solid-propellant rocket would ignite; the missile would travel out to some 21½ nm (40 km) with the nuclear depth bomb entering the water to detonate at a preset depth. It was developed specifically for launching from the Project 705 (Alfa) SSN.
The larger V’yuga-65 variant was a 650-mm weapon, launched from the large-diameter tubes fitted in the Project 671RTM (Victor III) and later submarines. This weapon had a solid-propellant rocket to deliver a small, 400-mm diameter ASW homing torpedo. The range was to be similar to the 533-mm weapon.
After initial underwater trials with a fixed launcher, a T-43 minesweeper was fitted with a 650-mm launch tube for sea trials of the V’yuga-65. Then the Whiskey-class diesel submarine S-65 was converted to a test platform (Project 613RV), being fitted with a fairwater over the bow that housed two 650-mm tubes. The S-65 carried out sea trials of both weapons in 1964-68, using internal torpedo tubes for the 533-mm variant. The missile could be launched down to depths of 60 m.
Both weapons became operational in 1969.
The V’yuga evolved into the follow-on RPK-6 Vodopad (waterfall) and RPK-7 Veter (wind) missiles. Again, both were given a single NATO designation, SS-N-16 Stallion. The Vodopad was a 533-mm weapon and the Veter a 650-mm weapon. They could carry either a 400-mm ASW homing torpedo or a nuclear depth bomb. Also, the weapons would be torpedo-tube launched; streak to the surface, where their solid-propellant rocket engines would ignite; and fly toward the target. The 533-mm missile had a range of some 20 nm (37 km), while the larger missile colud reach 55 nm (100 km) and carried a larger payload. The missile could be launched from depths down to 200 m.
Two Romeo-class diesel submarines were reconfigured as test craft (Project 633RV), with two 650-mm torpedo tubes fitted in a fairwater built over their bows. The modified S-49 was delivered in 1973 and the similar S-11 in 1982. After successful trials, the 533-mm Vodopad became operational in Soviet submarines in 1981, followed by the 650-mm Veter in 1984. They were placed aboard Project 671RT (Victor II) and Project 705 (Alfa) and later SSNs as the Project 949 (Oscar) SSGN.”source: “Cold War Submarines”, by Polmar and Moore
What came to my mind was the fact that there was no 300kg HE mentioned…
Well, it is mentioned, but not as a depth charge…. Could it have been a anti-ship variant? I will ask this to my source. I recall hearing that some time ago, that it was somewhat similar to Musson in that regard.
Hehe, no problem I understand your language without this translation. (not really understanding though, in written it goes quite good. I’ve studied Latin for quite some time)
Anyhow, I just noticed that the weapon I shew was not among the ones you shew…