This is what I call a true Mini-Moskit (it’s 1/400):

Be aware that this missile is in fact only half the size of the one in the picture, it’s taken with a macro zoom… I do still have to paint her nose black though.
I know she’s not fully 100% on scale, but normally you won’t notice once she’s in place.

Yeah, I regretted it was a Pak (and damn, since when is P A K I cesored here?) who made that remark, but I really don’t need to make friends in here. I know who to rely on and who not. And I’m leaving, studies are more important than talking to nonsense people isn’t it? I’ll keep contact with the people I want to keep contact with, the ones with much more brains and knowledge than you.
Austin is one, but I don’t want to bring any more people in Danger, Austin is strong enough to stand up for himself, the others are not involved in here.
I don’t NEED a case, you’ll just see me laughing when that thing falls apart and sinks. BTW, now it seems that the hangar is not ok, on BR they show a drawing of the hangar lay-out with the plane configuration and now it seems that that is quite oversized… So, that 80% rebuild should a) enlarge that hangar and probably partly rebuild the hull (which would then get a totally different stability etc.) or b) the new hangar lay-out is crap at BR drawing and they’ll only get 13 MiGs pushed in, without any helicopters…

I”‘ve seen that hanging around, but I think the deal was split up. Good for India I’d say, since I really see no need for them to get Tu-22M… ATV isn’t in any deal, that’s more of the “under the table” deal (oops again a conspiracy). It’s not a secret that most Russian designers go a) working in a other branch because it earns more or b) go to other countries to work as a ship designer because of that very same reason. This is also the reason why China is getting help with most of its submarine designs and the same counts for India (although that is somewhat based on more official help). I hear Rubin was involved in ATV now.

GRRR, you really don’t get it do you???
I’m not saying those IN experts are bad, they certainly know more about it than I do, since I’m still learning from them (not IN ones, but other ones, from a less monkey-country), what I’m saying is that their results might have been “changed” by higher instances.
About those fights, the most obvious ones I’ve seen: Belgian admiral was accused of being drunk most of the time on official diners, also accused of sexual intimidation, in a “anonimous letter” to a paper and armed forces commander. And then came the defense of the MoD.
Russian Admiral Suchkov was replaced as commander of the Northern Fleet, within a month after he declared only a Single Typhoon SSBN carried only 10 missiles. He was replaced by a admiral that had never even been in the Northern Fleet, he was trained in and made his entire carreer in the Pacific fleet, Admiral Abramov (if you wanted to check that).
And then there of course was the case of Pyotr Velikiy that was likely to blow up any time because the commander happened to be the nephew of one of Kuroyedov’s accusors in the Kurk “scandal”.
Admirals often know their case, but there is mostly more than one person waiting for his position, as you said it doesn’t really matter in here.
If I’m talking about Russian Navy, I very well know what I’m talking about. I sent a picture to Blackcat with some “evidence” of what Russians do with ships. I’ll try to reduce the pic in size, but can’t promise to get it online.

Well, I haven’t been on Gorshkov, but I’ve been on other Russian ships and have many high-res pictures of them. Then you see the general Russian thought about their Navy. In a certain way I indeed admit I ‘m whistling in the dark, but I do have my lighter with me…
And you guys really have to stop dreaming. I’ve heard about a dozen Indians yelling: “everything is controlled in our country” and “No one would lie” and all that kind of bull****, but I can tell you in every country the ones that aren’t scared of their position still have their price. In some countries fights are more open and ruthless (Russia for example) than others, but be assured these fights and so called “control comitties” are and happen EVERYWHERE. A Navy consists of people that love their job, people that want the best for themselves and their country, if that requires a lie to achieve, then so be it. But that is something that goes against most governments (and their funding programme). The admirals really aren’t Saints, you don’t reach such a position by being a good man.
But I won’t say anything more about this. My last posts were more to be educative to Blackcat and answer his questions. Here are some pictures to show what I mean. (NOTE: these ships have hard lives, that is why they mostly are only good for 10 years of service, much harder than a carrier, so it’s unlikely that the snapping will occur to a carrier)

yep, as I thought, no 360° cover for your Rif system, only the aft arc…
There would be no hangar either??? I hope we get a nice picture of the backpart of this ship, I can hardly believe it doesn’t have a hangar.

my post just disappeared?
Damn, well here’s the answer again then…

But sev, i don think even the outer sheets corroded will get the inner ‘ribs’ and as u mentiones, the layer gets thinner, I guess, such things wud be taken off and new ones attaches. I guess thats the normal process, U might be able to put more on that though.

The inner brackets are inside the fuel, ballast and potable water tanks, they corrode even before the outer shell. This corrosion causes cracks, these cracks cause tears and these cause your ship to snap if it’s submitted to high forces. This of course doesn’t happen to new ships, and due to the easy life Gorshy has lead and will lead in the future it won’t snap. But the danger for such things is still there…
Also, she’s made of High tensile steel, this allows to build lighter ships, from less thick plates of steel, yet if 1mm corrodes off, that’s no problem if you have a 5cm thick plate, but if you have a 1cm thick plate… And High tensile steel corrodes equally fast as the usual steel. There are ships with 1mm thick bottom and bow plates around, you can think how safe these are. It looks like a bunch of holes if you use an x-ray on those.
Normally you just replace that steel plate if there’s a hole in it, but I have some good pictures of Russian Craftsmanship, welding a small plate over that hole, not exactly smart, since the hole was located on the stern (in a Tarantul III corvette), which is a very hot place (two exhausts next to it) and a whole bunch of vibrations there (the welding does seem to be done well). I’ll send that picture to you. At a first look, that ship looks like in splendid condition, but if you zoom and look a bit further you’ll see the problems!

eerg, how inaccurate can one get? The Granit doesn’t look like the real thing at all… Bazalt has some errors too and the Malakhit doesn’t look right either…
Here’s Bazalt:

And this is P-35,for surface ships, which likely has a similar intake to Bazalt’s, although slightly larger as it seems…

With many thanks to Ruslan for putting this online!

It is btw the Mashinostroyeniy Bureau that has developed those missiles. Chelomei was one of the head directors… Yet he is now gone I think and Yakhont is not his responsibility anymore. He was the major designer of Granit though!