There´s one thing which upsets me more about airlines. In fact luggage is a minor problem when fare is good.
Credit cards charges. It´s supposed be rising more a more, we visit their websites. Well, it´s normal a charge is applied since VISA, MASTERCARD or whatever charges them for using it. I wonder why it varies according to different airlines in the same route.
My querry is: are we paying hidden costs dressed up as taxes and different fees? I think it´s a good thing to debate as well. The system is funny. If you book a ticket you are charged 8 euros for using a card, but if you are booking two tickets, but the transaction is the same instead of paying 8 we pay 16. Does it make sense?.
There´s a question of not being able to escape from this fee. If you go to the airport to pay cash the same ticket costs 35% more. Of course as long as the fare is good, consumers keep on reserving, but should all costs be more clearly clarified?.
Oh yes, obviously. Of course, and finaly after ballancing the whole thing, I pay for the baggage tax, because as you well pointed it´s worthy.
What I wanted to say, is that sometimes airlines simply say that they have to charge you for the baggage because the more pounds a plane carries, the more parafin it consumes. This is what´s applied when you have an extra pound of weight and varies to the route and lenght of the flight. Some make a flat baggage excess rate, some calculate it more throughfully.
If this were the case, I would understand the baggage charge since, I am making the plane to consume more (I would have to ask to be weighted myselft). But this is not the case. The charge is almost flat and doesn´t depend on the lenght of the flight. It´s simply because they want to reduce the handlers costs. And this understandable.
But I see the rise as a deterrent, and not something which costs more or less to Ryanair. I wonder if they will able to cut corners in the handlers. And being a deterrent, I am trying to tell, that althought at the end I pay for it, because the fare might remain the same, sometimes we are forced to.
And what I also pointed, is that there are different niches, and markets in which the passengers could travel with luggage and other which we can´t. I pay for the luggage, I won´t complain but I find it unfair, since it´s not my option leaving the suitcase at home. Of course, it won´t make go to other airline, since the travelling costs are higher.
I have never understood the obession of airlines for fitting a lot of trolleys into the rack. No enough space is 180 passenger take one at the same time, and as airline experts say, 180 passengers trying to leave the plane with their trolleys usually slows evacuation. And we tend to get the bellongings when something wrong happens.
I think that in the case of a sudden turbulence or CAT, I don´t like the idea of flying trolleys over my head. And we don´t count the amount of time missed because the passengers are not able to accomodate themselves and their trolleys as quickly as checking baggage.
Crew gets upset, doors close more late, and slots are missed.
Probably they meant it was the biggest single terminal. It was inagurated in feb 2006. Some people love it, some hate it.
Barajas the biggest in the world. Not at all. Let´s say only in Spain 🙂
The comparision between train vs planes has been established and the plane still wins for 15 minutes. Fares are high on the AVE, and it´s only convenient if you go from city to city. If you connect AVE from the airport, it´s not really convinient.
Spanish airports don´t normaly have railway facilities except Barcelona. ADIF former RENFE (Spanish railway system) and AENA (Spanish BAA) are two ageing fosiles which don´t talk to each other. There are train lines which pass by airports (Jerez only 150 m away) and don´t build train stations.
So if you want to get to train station (Atocha) from Madrid, you have to get the tube changing couple of times, or taxi (which tend to cheat you). Sorry
. You just don’t want to because you can get a cheaper fare on Ryanair.
I travel on short trips with no hold luggage. Why should I subsidise your requirement to check a 23g suitcase into the hold? If you need to take a suitcase then you pay extra for it. If you don’t, then you don’t.
If you think that there is some overriding principle that means you are inherently entitled to take a free suitcase with you, then pay more and fly an airline that lets you do that.
No I can´t, Mark. If ones lives in the airport where Ryanair is the single operator in international routes, you can´t choose. 🙂 Being only operator, means that low fares are not that low, or it´s hard to get a good one.
Others which don´t have direct connections like Vueling or Clickair, charges you for the suitcase as well. I understand the principle, and understand that if I want extra I have to pay. But it´s the amount what upsets me. Fourteen euros, in many routes is a bit too high when I don´t find cheap options in many segments.
I feel that Ryanair, which I enjoy to fly and like as airline, tries in a way to “criminalize” passengers, thinking that it´s a question of option. If you bring the suitcase you are naughty. The problem is not the amount of fuel consumption, but paying luggage handlers, and think salaries and costs are not the same in all airport, since the amount varies. If they have different charges, why don´t they annalise which airports are business ones, and which are vacacional?. It´s obvious that in a London-Turin, most of passengers are businessmen and can´t just dont bring suitcases. But others like London-Venice (which is used by tourists and cruisers) leaving the suitcase behind is more difficult. And even in most flights to the Spanish coasts.
SCQ is also vacacional, but with a huge porcentage of local people living in Europe, which usally travel with luggage. So all the routes are not the same for the kind of passengers, and costs of handling. But, I don´t mind paying if the fare is low.
I was just thinking about this, and I find some people’s angry responses quite amusing..
Let’s say you’re searching for a flight, and you decide to check Ryanair. You find the flights, you then decide whether to check-in a bag or not, you then accept or decline the insurance, and then you get to the final price. Now if you don’t like the price, surely you can just close the webpage and try another airline?! People make it sound like once you’ve gone through the first stage of the booking process, you are then forced to pay the extra fee’s as if there’s no turning back.
And another point…think realisitcally about how much baggage you actually need, and whether you can avoid all the fee’s just by taking cabin baggage. In December I flew to Lanzarote on TCX, and I know they have a very tight hold baggae limit of 15kg. Seeing as I was going for 10 days, I really had to think about what to pack. Upon check-in, it turns out my case was actually 14kg! Surely that then means that a 10kg cabin bag should be sufficient for 5-7 days away?
The problem is when you can´t choose other airline, and you have travel with a suitcase. So not many options then. It sounds to me like a punnishment.
The varies being higher or lower in the different airports of the network. Working for the cruising industry and having to cruise a lot, it means a relatively high amount of cothing which can´t be fitted into the racks.
Yes, sorry. When I type too quickly my English is a bit funny. 🙁
Oh yes, definitely. It has been awarded many times as the best regional airline in Europe. Even in a 30 minutes hop they serve you full service with a choice of stuffed croissants, or even gourmet sandwitches.
Sometimes they give a glass of champagne after take off, hot towels before meals, sweets before landing.
Leather seats. The pitch is really good, and flight attendants are usually really nice. The problem is usually fares: too high.
SAS is selling it. So initially Marsans (owner of Marsans Travel, Aerolineas Argentinas, Air Comet…..and on on) wanted to buy it. Remember it bellonged to Marsans before being sold to SAS.
So, they has announced that they won t bid for it, and only Iberia will do it.
Iberia controls. Air Nostrum, Clickair (being a process of eating Vueling) and Air Europa with a clear intention of getting into a sort of alliance with Iberia. So no competence, if Iberia is able to get Spanair too.
Goverment has said they greet the idea. So again defending the companies interests and no consumers one.
All mergers are pretty good for airlines, bad for consumers :confused:
Well Air Comet doesn´t operate in the domestic market, and has serious problems with Aerolineas Argentinas, in terms of nationalism pride, getting rid of colonialists Spanish and all that stuff.
So, they haven´t been able to buy Spanair, since they simply don´t know if what will happen in South America. This was vital for them, because they needed Spanair and the domestic market to feed their South American things, specially the A380.
So, we have Iberia controlling Clickair, possibly Vueling, Air Nostrum, now Spanair. What´s left?: Air Europe with a kind of sort of small domestic market, and in alliance with Air France to create something called Universal Airlines (using EMB195) orientated to feed Air Europa flights in MAD, and Air France in CDG. So no many alternatives for manyy regional airports.
Yes things are getting nasty over here. 🙁
Fortunately I made my Santiago-Hahn booking today 😀
I personally wouldn´t feel compensated with any sum. The question is “are they having a good use of their time to become richer?. Or some money would help or compensate them?.
Good question. I don´t have know what´s in their mind, but if money makes them feel a bit better, why not?.
I don´t feel the same. We still don´t know if BA had a direct implication in the crash. No definite conclusions, no idea if the crew contributed to this or not. I am sure they have been heroes, but too soon to say it for sure.
So I feel that someone that has suffered such a traumatic event, should have the right to sue whoever they feel, without being insulted. We simply don´t know how we would react if we had been onboard. My support for them. As far as I am concerned, I would probably wait for the official investigation to finnish, but I surely understand them.
I don´t want to put the blame on anyone, but not clear anyone yet. In democracy everyone should have the right to this, and BA defend themselves if they don´t have anything to it with it.
Sorry folks. That´s how I feel.
More news. They will be using EMB192, and their objective is fighting Air Nostrum CRJ, in the regional routes, and launching new international ones, in routes where small more profitable places be needed.
Air Nostrum (Iberia Regional) should be concerned about it.