BAE 146’s
four oil leaks connected by an electrcal fault
it seems Sally B is copping all the bad luck lately!
i have absolutely no doubt that there is no chance of a lack of attention to detail or expertise being the issue here, simple fact is that the new engine just turned out to be a lemon and would have shat itself no matter to which aircraft it was installed, a very rare happening these days but still happens nonetheless.
well firstly the term “fatigue” relates to accumulated cyclic damage sustained during the course of normal operation which will evetually cause an item to fail, Aluminium structures are prone to fatigue whereas steel structures are less so, and below certain thresholds do not accumulate fatigue damage at all.
Aircraft fatigue can be calculated in a number of ways, the two most commonly used are Fatigue Index (FI) in the case of aircraft equipped with apparatus to measure the forces going through its structure, and Flight Hours, in the case of aircraft not subjected to high stress manouevering loads such as airliners although some military types are covered by FH.
FI for an airframe is calculated during destructive static testing of one or more airframes to gain a Fatigue Value for the airframe type, the critical componenet of the airframe which exhibits the lowest fatigue tolerance will generally be used as the yardstick for that type’s total FI, which is set at 100FI, the fatigue measuring apparatus is then calibrated for the airframe and installed, it will monitor G-loadings, shock loads, ect and display a cumulative total of FI units consumed, the aircraft will then be determined as life expired or “lifex” when this value reaches 100 unless the aircraft has been modified to allow a higher total of FI.
Aircraft lifed by flight hours will generally have airframe stress measuring apparatus but will be flown to a pre-determined houred lifespan, the testing process to acquire this hour number is much the same as for aircraft being FI lifed, with the hourage at first failure of a critical airframe componenet being accepted as the maximum houred lifespan, as an example the A320 Airbus series is lifed to 85,000 flight hours, once an A320 aircraft reaches that total it is considered lifex and can no longer be safely flown, it seems generally that US military aircraft manufacturers tend to use houred lives instead of FI lives, the F-15E Eagle having an houred life of 15,000 flight hours and a B-52 37,500
Damn that must have hurt.
Having to be cut out of your Ford Escort for an hour would be really bad, but to have your pride and joy (and investment) be gently cut away around you…………….unimaginable!
poor s*d.:(
Obtenez à puits bientôt mon ami, espérez que vous pouvez réparer votre avion.
Looks repairable, in this country it would end up as 2 Stearmans and a Tiger Moth:D
Come now everyone knows youll get a Vulcan out of that!:D
Im amazed that nobody has realised that the aircraft depicted is, of course, the upgraded Griffon engined Buffalo that was used to great effect in the Boer War….
Ive actually turned up FOUR Twin Pins in Australia!
VH-AIS, sn/540, Stored off airport, Coolangatta, NSW
VH-EVB, sn/586, Australian Aviation Museum Bankstown, NSW
9M-ARU, sn/578, Australian Aviation Museum Bankstown, NSW
9M-ASB, sn/590, Spares use at Bankstown, NSW
I believe that ‘EVB is being restored to fly
I think thats refering to the posts about the engines being duff and needing hugely expensive deep overhauling etc etc etc.
however the engines are not duff and do not require repair, Rolls Royce have looked at them and her happy for them to continue in use. No decision has been made about the engine removed because of deposits found in the oil.
thanks bubbles, i gather then that the corrosion was/is very minor?
theres a pair of Twin Pins in australia, ill find out which
Isn’t a cost effective repair possible?
Rolls-Royce wont sanction an overhaul, the engine with corrosion may be repairable but but its a big if
They’ve just tweeted that she’s about to do a second engine test. Not sure if that means they’re doing 4 engine tests, one for each engine, or one test covering all 4 engines, or in pairs.
theyre chewing through theyre engine supply at an alarming rate, 2 of the 8 have already been canned, one for corrosion and one for metal shavings in the oil filter magent traps
The first prototype YF-111A (63-9766) survives at the Edwards Air Force Base Museum. The Chanute Air Museum in Rantoul, Illinois has the second YF-111A (63-9767). It was also the first to be flown by an Australian too. I had no idea the third prototype survived, or that it was in Australia either… excellent! Two of the prototype F-111B’s survive also, although only one is complete. The first FB-111A (67-0159) survives too. And finally, the prototype EF-111 survives at Mountain Home AFB. So… quite a few more prototype F-111’s than I had realized.
Cheers,
Richard
have asked a contact at Ambereley and he has confirmed that the aircraft’s tail number is 63-9768
In Australia we have:
The Prototype DH Heron at Bull Creek
(currently offered for sale?, and surely of interest to the UK?)The Prototype CAC Winjeel at RAAF Museum
The Prototype CAC Sabre at RAAF Museum
The Prototype GAF Nomad as the SA Aviation Museum
The Millicier Airtourer (wooden prototype) at Nowra (Museum of Vic*)
The Prototype Yeoman Cropmaster YA-1 under restoration for the Powerhouse Museum.
AS well as one off types that never went into production such as the Fawcett at Bankstown and the SC.1 at Oakey (Moorabbin*)
(* on loan from other collections)
regards
Mark Pilkington
Add to that the third prototype YF-111A at Amberley, she pre-dates the crew escape module and is fitted with ejection seats, as far as i am aware it is the only surviving Aardvark prototype
Yeh, both 904 and 728 had the ‘mods’ pushing them out to 125 FI 😉
wasnt a large part of the reason 904 was picked by BaE was that she had/has one o9f the most leak free fuel systems of the last operational Lightnings back in 88?
Neither of our two have much left, BAE flew 904 to the last hour of so, cant remember what FI she has left, will look it up for you in the ‘700’
728 has about 123 FI left, but its all acedemic 😉
Cheers 🙂
Thanks Andy,
123 or 12.3? 123 seems a huge amount, or was 728 one of the reworked F.6’s?
No, John has it right, it was the 100 unit FI that was critical not hours flown.
In fact there were only a handful of the last in service F.6’s that had been fatigue extended to 125 units with the fitting of the wing reinf plates, that ever exceeded the 4000 hr mark.
XR757 I think was the highest houred at 4316 when it made it’s last flight in Dec 87.
Interesting little tidbit, thanks firebird.
how many of the ground running Lightnings around have any FI remaining?
id assume that Thunder City’s other F.6 and T.5’s would have some meaningful amount on them, XP693 should be practically brand new!