Sean,
Chrom,
Please read the words very carefully. At no point did I mention it would be ‘fun’ to shoot down an SR. I suggested however that the benefits of actually shooting one down in terms of challenging the military philosophy of the West came down in favour of doing so (if guaranteed) and weathering the political fallout.
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This is pretty much BS. SR-71 was nothing exceptional in terms of PR. Shooting down SR-71 in international airspace would not be any different from PR point than shooting down E-3, B-52, B-2, space shuttle or even SSBN. All these cases the same – especially take look at SSBN. How much opportunites there was to sunk one in international waters… how strong message could be send by your logic!
Whereas from history we know what all sides were rather very cautions about hurting each over in internationl space/waters…
Oh dear,
But an SR heading towards the USSR over the Baltic or over the Pacific was carrying out its full operational mission, as were the interceptors scrambled towards it. It was not a ‘practice scramble’…it was for real, with live weapons on the MiGs and sensors running on the SR. This was a reasonably frequent occurance and hence the validity of my thesis stands.
If….
I dont understand what “validity”. Are you still trying to imply what USSR would like to shot down SR-71 in international airspace becouse “it is funny!”?
1. Shturm – old 70x development, since then upgraded – but considered already absolote.
2. Ataka,Vikhr – Vihr is newer, and when first appeared had considerable advantage compared to Ataka (higher speed,etc). But Ataka was also upgraded since then and now they are very close to each other in capabilities. Basically, they are much the same from different manufactures.
3. Hermes – future “unified” project. Planned both air-lauched and ground-based versions, with different warheads, ranges, and guided methods. Without further specificaton it is impossbile to tell anything just by name “Hermes”. For example, range differs from 20 to 100+km, guide methods from radio-command to active radar and IR (TI matrix) homing.
Granted…it has unique capabilities. But my question is still valid.
What are its operating & overhaul costs/component times compared to a Chinook or CH-53?+20%?
+40%?
+50%?Double?
Most likely half of that. Judging from other soviet helicopters comparisons vs western counterparts….
It will likely consumer about 2-3 times more fuel, while lifting up to 4 times more. Service is definitly cheaper as Mi-26 is a simply big helo without much high-tech gizmos, while V-22.. well, you know…
Mi-26 also have much greater flexibility – with reduced payload Mi-26 have almost double V-22 range. With reduced fuel load it can lift even V-22 itself…
Still never ever was an F-4 reported in Soviet hands.
There was surery enouth F-4 pieces in Soviet hands to assembly 10 F-4… Still, we dont know about any flyable F-4 in Soviet hands.
1. No Iranian F-14s ever reached Russia
2. The pictures are fake.Point.
Better to say no intact F-14 reached Russia. Some F14 PARTS almost sure was brought to Russia for examination. Russian enginiers almost surery examined F-14 in Iran. But most likely it was in later 80x – 90x timeframe, so i dont think russians learned much from such old tech.
I think this is not correct when talking about loosing a radarlock for a second or more. When pilot turns the aircraft and radar away from the target, he looses a radar lock as well as the missile, there is no chance to regain the missile back. Therefore pilots are strictly instructed to hold the target circle within the HUD frame and keep illuminating. Written in combat employment and pilot instruction manuals.
How MISSILE can be lost? If radar briefely losses target tack for whatever reason it doesnt mean it also losses missile. There is the problem however – if radar losses track than reaquiring it might take too much time. Even several seconds might be too much, especeally when missile is close to target.
I had a book from Milparade that had an article written by MiG that was describing the R-27E missiles in comparison to the Sparrow and it mentioned that one of its advantages was a lofted trajectory that would allow it to reach targets more quickly (and with more terminal energy).
Regarding the original question, no. The R-27R and R-27ER are lock on before launch and as far as I know have no capability to reaquire a target in flight.
Garry, you mistake R-27ER for R-27ET. First is semi-active radar version and have INS, MCCU, and LO after Launch since very beginning.
Not exactly. While in TWS mode, you’re providing course correction to the missile via the datalink, but you’re alerting all RWR’s around, and the missile could still be 40 km away from the target. In that case, the opponent could go defensive at that moment, and bleed the missile’s energy.
IRST cant provide course correction for missile outside LRF range as it lack any range/speed figures. LRF work only at 10-15km max, i.e. already within ARH missile activation range. Thats why only active-seekers like IR or ARH missiles could be used with IRST.
That’s the problem with IRST, you cannot just go around and scan airspace with it. You’d need to know where to look at. Even small radars like Kopyo provide more scanned sectors than modern IRSTs. Not to mention, that radar can perform an target ID.
You perfectly can. Since the inroduction on Su-27/Mig-29 IRST is used to scan for targets.
When the loaden fighter-bombers are close to ground-level and the USAF-ones in the 20s. But such details aside. What infos did you fed into your weapons-computer fed and into your medium-range AAM by that?! Own and victims-speed, bearings from both, distance, course, closing speed, a.s.o.
Where did your IRST get the info, where to look at all?!
Despite that limitations the IRST can be usefull in some tactical situation and some surplus infos/intel. In an airspace under AWACs control it does not help really, when high-up.
Single radar pulse will provide all these datas while not lighting enemy RWR. It is standard procedure with using IRST when outside LRF range. Without IRST you cant do it as radar dont know which point it should send the pulse – even modern AWACS will not provide good enouth data for that, let alone 20-years old AWACS with absent datalink in case of western fighters.
So, what’s the advantage of a fighter using IRST if it can only see an enemy but cannot shoot it down? What’s the big deal?
Su-27 / Mig-29 nearly always carry 2 R-27ET. It is in standard loadout. Of course semi-active radar missiles cannot be guided by IRST. Using ARH with IRST while possible also doesnt make much sence as ARH guiding will light enemy RWR just as good as your main radar.
The problem is that in order to maintain that 5 minute setup time, you need a presurveyed launch site. If you look at Russia, for example, there are a number of empty S-300P launch sites, which could be used in just that capacity. .
“Presurveyed” – thats all, certainly not “pre-prepared”. S-300PMU/S-400 can use virtually any place and setup there in 5 min. You dont need any special ground preparation. Moreover, S-300+ systems can use “part-by-part” relocate options – i.e. they can move vehicles one-by-one small distance (5-10km) without losing any capability.
Russia may still have some intrest for an avionic upgrade of its ~ 200 MiG-31 in 6 regiments to bring that to a similar level. The M there is for multirole to add some AG-capability and to make part of that force more usefull.
Mig-31 upgrade is planned in recently published 8-years defence spending plan.
Where you see anything about series production? It is not even prototype…
Maybe it is because long range strike is not a classic mission of the Russian Air Force. I guess the procurement of external tanks is not a priority for an airforce that still struggles to keep its aircraft operational and its pilots flight-rated and trained.
Again, you assume wrong thing. RuA dont have needs to use Su-27/30 for long-range strike missions – they have specialized aircrafts in form of Tu-22M3 and Su-24M for that. Moreover, Su-27 cant even do such missions anyway…