Yeah, but any old bomber will also be shot down. A credible delivery system means they have to be able to mount it on a missile, either ICBM or cruise, and that takes a lot of skill and expertise. Either that or stick it in a suitcase and just leave it in the middle of a city, pretty effective.
Sure, it could. But we are speaking about about pure threat and blackmailing rather than actually using nuclear bomb anyway. Answer me, given what NK have 10 nuclear devices, is where any sizeable difference between individual NK bomber being able to reach Seoul in 100% cases or in 10% cases? Both figures are unnaceptable risk to go in war against NK without VERY, VERY important reason. Surery, there is no such reason in foreseeable future. And in more distant future NK will most likely have a reliable enouth warhead and delivery device anyway – so the point is just moot.
Second… How would North Korea even deploy the bomb?.. Its quite a different story to weaponize a nuclear device.
Any ancient bomber can carry in excess of 10 ton load if needed. Of course, you cant attack USA with that but S. Korea cities and USA bases are within reach. Moreover, the past experience show us what the way from first 10-ton nuclear device to managable 700-kg warhead is not that long.
Contrary to USA present sabre ratting, i actually expect what situation around NK will relax in the near future. NK will be allowed to develop nuclear energetic, NK will accelerate China-style reforms (they already going in the very limited scale), NK will even recive some economical help from Russia, China and SK in exchange to deep involvment in NK internal economic.
So far Russia is the only country claiming anything like that size. Most seem to be saying sub-kiloton.
So far only S. Korea and Russia officially claimed ANYTHING about explosion power. And i’m not even sure if S.Korea claimed it officially.
I wonder if it was a fizzle. Or if the reason they went so tiny is because they don’t have much fissile material on hand and didn’t want to waste it all on one bomb.
I wouldn’t bet on S.Korean estimates. After all, they have exactly ZERO experience with nuclear devices. For example Russian MOD estimates 5-15 KT, and they have for sure much more knowledge in that field. Other countries keep silent, so i think we have no reliable information about the explosion power.
BTW, for all sides involved, there is practically no difference if NK have 5 KT nuke or 500 KT nuke. Both are unacceptable and both will inflict about the same scale damage if exploded near designed target. After all, NK dont need to bust USA missile silos, and also dont need to completely obliterate New-York , LA , Seol or Tokio. The threat to burn a large part of the cities will do just fine to convince these counties restrain themselves from invading NK.
About the Mig-25 doing mach 3.2 over Israel: My theory on how it got to these speeds, is that it climbed to 75-77 thousand feet, got up to mach 2.7 or 2.8 and then did a dive to gain more speed, and thus reaching mach 3.2.
I say this, since they redline the Mig-25 at 2.8, and even then it could sustain mach 2.8 for a short period of time; so I doubt it’d have power enough to reach 3.2 in level flight on its own. π
About those questioning the SR-71’s stealth, and saying stuff like “how’d they track it from such long distances then?” kind of stuff. Look, the SR-71 continuously cruised in FULL afterburner, at mach 3.2 for over an hour; that thing must’ve blinded the IR seekers back then! It probably looked like a second sun! lol π
This limitation _might_ be true for early examples of Mig-25, but certainly they was not as strict for later examples in mid 70x. Even Belenko says what redline was at 2.8M – not lower. Mig-25 probably had enouth power to reach 3+ mach in level flight as all sources agree what the main limitation was engine _overspeeding_ and not engine _power_. So in the time before engines burned up they could provide enouth thrust to exceed 2.8M. Even looking at that famous 3.2 mach flight – well, Mig-25 got they engines burned up, true, but if that would be the cost for downing SR-71 then i guess its not too expencive…
There were allready RB-2 and EB-2 proposals during B-2 development. But they were evaluated as too costly.
B-2 would be a very bad recce platform. Why?
1. Expencive
2. Require special airfields and treating
3. Low speed
4. Low alt
5. Addidional sensors may compromise its main advantage – stealth.
So, what we have? A expencive plane what will be easy shot down by any ancient Mig-21 if spotted? May i remind you, in WW2 there was no radar on planes yet they somehow manged to shot down each other.
Sorry … I maybe was so excited esp. over the picture that I was too un-careful !!
[Careful modus on]To say, that there are just some recent announcements that the plan to finalise the second one is still ongoing [Careful modus off] would surely be much more appropriate !
Anyway thanks for the Holyday-greetings, hope Your can enjoy the 3rd october too β¦
Cheers, Deino π
An-225… unlikely to be alive again, but wonders happens. Upgraded An-124 can carry almost as much for much lower price, and with already going technology lines.
Buran… completely impossible. Its useless overexpencive junk, just as american shuttle is.
To continue the discussion from raptor vs s400 thread since this seems more suitable: just what prevents sm-3 from engaging targets other than ballistic missiles? I guess maybe it’s a bit less manouvering, with the third stage of the missile basically being a finless bullet, which is good against not so manouvering ballistic missiles but not so good against dancing anti ship missiles. Still, why couldn’t one at least try to hit a plane or low flying missile? I would think any issues preventing that would be ‘just’ software related.
Possible, SM-3 just cant operate at low altitude, ESPECEALLY at low ranges when first stage booster still burning. Its engines and aerodinamic just did not designed for that. Imagine 3-stage missile where only last stage is capable of combat manouvering…
It first must detect the signal as being man made and not natural background radiation. The other feature is the sensors on a missile tend not to be as sensative as the onboard sensors.
Current estimates are that Sukhoi Su-30MK Barrs radar can detect the F-22 at 18-20Km (11ΒΌ-12Β½ miles) but, the sensors aboard the Adder missile have to get within 2-3Km (1ΒΌ-1β miles) for detection for terminal guidance!Adrian
R-27P guide itself on active EM emitter so it doesnt matter how stealthy F-22 airframe is. The main question is how stealthy F-22 _radar_ is. This is completely unknown to public.
I actually think that the LCA is in a class of its own, even superior to the F-22. I’m not joking, look at it this way – for the price of 1 F-22, you can get 10
Cessna FTW!
Hehe, i like politic threads. I’ll say something before this one go to trashcan…
1. There are no pro-russian politcal forces in Gerogia. Even several weeks ago arrested opposition is not pro-russian. This is why no goverment-overthrown possible from russian side.
2. Whole Georgian govement is paid by US and by Soros foundation. Its official. I dont know another country where govement OPENLY admits what its loan is paid by foreign country and even is somehow proud about it.
3. Georgian army is largely trained by US and equipped by US money. Nothing wrong here, just a notion. Right now army is most well-feed part of Georgian society and is largely pro-Saakashvili( or, at least, pro-West as they know who feed them)
4. Russia will never attack Georgia like Israel did its attack – for obvios reason. There is absolutely nothing Russia can gain from such atack. Not internely, not externely.
5. Addiditionally, Georgians are not Chechens-like, they are not terrorists and dont have such deep warlike-mentality. They are part of Russian society to a much deeper degree than any of other Caucasus independent nationalities. Simply put, Georgians dont get hostages, dont blow houses, dont behead womens on the main square of Thbilisi. Many russian will support economic sanctions against Georgia but very few will support any bloody action.
6. Georgian army can only use guerilla-like tactic against russian army should war happen. In such war the number of georgians tanks and artillery doesnt matter a slightest.
My prediction – no war, just another big scandal. Saakashvili is crazy (just medicine fact) , and US made a big mistake when they appointed him as georgia’s president.
I was reffering to a situation where there is one aircraft emmiting while 4 fly with it with their radars off!!!
And? I still dont understand how this have any relation to original question. The R-27P can be launched without any use of radar, by data provided by RWR.
The problem chrom with the -27P and the -94 is that there need to emmitters , an intercepting package which has largely radars off could be a worrying thing !! there is a need for radars but with sensors like -27p,-94,IRST etc the ammount of flexibility of “when to use” has increased.
Huh? I dont inderstand what you mean. OF COURSE R-27P need emmiting radar/source to home to – how else ANY missile can guide itself to target? I mean, the question was exactly that – if there is any missile what can home in passive mode to active emitting source.
Soviet/Russian R-27P designed for just that – for engaging emmiting sources including aircrafts. This is perfect weapon in-service for your task.
I don’t think that russian navy has enemies like japanease smuglers but the Japan’s navy. This country wants some russian islands and if you look their navy is much more advanced than any western navy except USN. Just look the “Kongo II” DDG 174. The 20380 hasn’t any AAW even point protection missile system except one KADS-N-1 CIWS. Admiral Masorin said that Russia at the future will develop aircraft carriers. “We need 4 of them not 12 as USN” Who will escord them? The gun boats or your LOVELY frigates? RUSSIA is not USA but also RUSSIA is not BALTIC state. Needs Blue water navy as well as patrol boats, not at the numbers that USN navy has but they need them. There is no other solution. Furthermore Putin’s Russia is NOT like was at Yieltsin times. Has enough money and the oil prices will help more the situation.
New russian frigates of 4000-8000t class can be considered sort of “blue water”. Against Japan Russia dont need anything bigger than corvet – SSN’s , Tu-22 and Su-24/34 will take care of any japanese fleet close to russian borders (and of Japan itself too, lol). Also, calling “gunboats” a ship with a 200km range supersonic missiles is, mildly saying, underestimate.