Richard grayYes, but what beer are you supplying?
Spitfire or Trooper. :very_drunk:
http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/06/iron-maidens-trooper-beer-goes-national/
Richard grayNot much, but perhaps a lead?
Bit of an understatement there, Pete. It’s a great leap forward “Thank you.”
Ok it does not tell us the exact location, it at least tell us that this crash is logged in files somewhere, otherwise all the crew would have been listed as MIA.
Richard grayThanks ericmunk. the second one looks to be the one.
Creaking Door no offense taken. It’s difficult to know what to think, about memories from 70 yrs ago.
I had thought the same as you, but then thought again, he was a lad roundabout 10 -14 yrs maybe he knew about planes. I will have to have another chat with him to see what else I can find out.
The thing is that no other plane allied or axis is recorded crashing that day or even any other day during the war in that location.
There is a wartime airfield nearby so did one of our planes come down there and was recovered the next day and no report ever filed.
Was it an exercise carried out by Churchill’s secret Army?
There are so many variables to look at, might take awhile to find out what was there.
I have looked at a 1946 aerial photo of the site and a couple of places looks as if something could have crashed there 4 yrs earlier.
Early days yet to make a firm decision on what he saw.
Richard grayquote from a well known owners manual.
Upkeep was released, the wireless operator firing a red very cartridge as the aircraft passed over the dam to signal the release
Richard grayOn an episode of ‘Mythbusters’ they showed how police had accidentally set fire to a farmworker with a Taser, whose clothes had been contaminated with nitrogen fertiliser. So it is known that Tasers have a potential for igniting the clothing of its victims. It must have been obvious that such a high voltage spark would most likely ignite petrol soaked clothing. In those circumstances, a disabling spray, or an old-fashioned truncheon, might have been the better option.
Steven
Not seen that episode. So where do this High voltage spark come from, is it from the gun or the prongs that enter the body?
If from the gun then it would have to have been fired close to the petrol vapours to ignite.
A high pressure water jet would have been an even better option.:D
The trouble is that none of us were at that incident so we can not really say what happened.
best to wait till the inquiry is over then we might know more.
Meanwhile a question for all.
When is petrol poured onto a fire to put it out?
Richard grayOn an episode of ‘Mythbusters’ they showed how police had accidentally set fire to a farmworker with a Taser, whose clothes had been contaminated with nitrogen fertiliser. So it is known that Tasers have a potential for igniting the clothing of its victims. It must have been obvious that such a high voltage spark would most likely ignite petrol soaked clothing. In those circumstances, a disabling spray, or an old-fashioned truncheon, might have been the better option.
Steven
Not seen that episode. So where do this High voltage spark come from, is it from the gun or the prongs that enter the body?
If from the gun then it would have to have been fired close to the petrol vapours to ignite.
A high pressure water jet would have been an even better option.:D
The trouble is that none of us were at that incident so we can not really say what happened.
best to wait till the inquiry is over then we might know more.
Meanwhile a question for all.
When is petrol poured onto a fire to put it out?
Richard grayTonyT.
Using high voltage on a person covered in fuel in my eyes is just stupid, sorry but there has to be a better way, if two officers cannot take a suspect down without having to resort to a taser the world is going down the tubes. As folks said it will all come out in the wash as to why it happened.
Not really an answer to my question is it TonyT?
Nor have you suggested a better way.
Why slag off the police in the first place, if you now say it will all come out in the wash?
John Green.
Every report that I’ve read lays the blame for the conflagration squarely on the use of the Taser.
Would it be possible to share those reports?
Richard grayTonyT.
Using high voltage on a person covered in fuel in my eyes is just stupid, sorry but there has to be a better way, if two officers cannot take a suspect down without having to resort to a taser the world is going down the tubes. As folks said it will all come out in the wash as to why it happened.
Not really an answer to my question is it TonyT?
Nor have you suggested a better way.
Why slag off the police in the first place, if you now say it will all come out in the wash?
John Green.
Every report that I’ve read lays the blame for the conflagration squarely on the use of the Taser.
Would it be possible to share those reports?
Richard grayWhy are you saying that TonyT?
your link says.
A man who had covered himself in petrol became a human fireball after police shot him with a Taser.
A police watchdog will investigate whether firing the weapon at Andrew Pimlott, 32, caused fatal burns.
Mr Pimlott suffered serious injuries in the incident on the evening of April 18.
He was taken to hospital and subsequently transferred to the specialist burns unit at Frenchay Hospital in Bristol, where he died five days later.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said two Devon and Cornwall Police officers responded to a 999 call from a caller who said that Mr Pimlott was in a garden with a can of flammable liquid.
Shortly after the police arrived he sustained serious burn injuries and an ambulance was called.
An officer deployed a Taser during the incident in Honicknowle, Plymouth, the watchdog said.
IPCC Commissioner Sarah Green said: “My condolences go to Andrew’s family and friends for their loss.
“This must be a very difficult time for them and we have appointed a family liaison manager who is ensuring the family are kept informed.
“Our investigators have already carried out a number of actions, including interviewing the two police officers who attended the incident and ensuring relevant evidence has been secured.
“A post-mortem was carried out yesterday and further forensic analysis will be carried out.
“The IPCC had informed the coroner of our investigation and we will share our report in due course.
“Our investigation will be looking at what information was known to the officers attending the scene, the officer’s rationale for discharging a Taser on a person known to be doused in flammable liquid, whether the discharge of the Taser caused the fuel to ignite and we will look at training and policies.”
In separate statements, Mr Pimlott’s family paid tribute.
His parents wrote: “Dear darling son Andrew, you were a fantastic son to us, you will always be in our hearts and thoughts.
“We will never forget you. Be in our heart forever and always, we send a million kisses up to heaven.
“All our love Mum and Dad. xxx”
Nowhere in that report says exactly what happened at the incident.
My reading of it seeems completely different to yours.
It appears that it is not known if a Taser will cause the fuel to ignite.
usually if a person has covered themselves in petrol, they are likely to be threatning to ignite it for some reason or other.
So can you tell us what you would have done, if a man standing in front of you, covered with petrol is threatening to ignite it.
Even if you know that the taser may ignite the petrol would you fire it and hope that it didnt or do you let him flick his lighter?
One hellava decision to make in a split second I would say.
Richard grayWhy are you saying that TonyT?
your link says.
A man who had covered himself in petrol became a human fireball after police shot him with a Taser.
A police watchdog will investigate whether firing the weapon at Andrew Pimlott, 32, caused fatal burns.
Mr Pimlott suffered serious injuries in the incident on the evening of April 18.
He was taken to hospital and subsequently transferred to the specialist burns unit at Frenchay Hospital in Bristol, where he died five days later.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said two Devon and Cornwall Police officers responded to a 999 call from a caller who said that Mr Pimlott was in a garden with a can of flammable liquid.
Shortly after the police arrived he sustained serious burn injuries and an ambulance was called.
An officer deployed a Taser during the incident in Honicknowle, Plymouth, the watchdog said.
IPCC Commissioner Sarah Green said: “My condolences go to Andrew’s family and friends for their loss.
“This must be a very difficult time for them and we have appointed a family liaison manager who is ensuring the family are kept informed.
“Our investigators have already carried out a number of actions, including interviewing the two police officers who attended the incident and ensuring relevant evidence has been secured.
“A post-mortem was carried out yesterday and further forensic analysis will be carried out.
“The IPCC had informed the coroner of our investigation and we will share our report in due course.
“Our investigation will be looking at what information was known to the officers attending the scene, the officer’s rationale for discharging a Taser on a person known to be doused in flammable liquid, whether the discharge of the Taser caused the fuel to ignite and we will look at training and policies.”
In separate statements, Mr Pimlott’s family paid tribute.
His parents wrote: “Dear darling son Andrew, you were a fantastic son to us, you will always be in our hearts and thoughts.
“We will never forget you. Be in our heart forever and always, we send a million kisses up to heaven.
“All our love Mum and Dad. xxx”
Nowhere in that report says exactly what happened at the incident.
My reading of it seeems completely different to yours.
It appears that it is not known if a Taser will cause the fuel to ignite.
usually if a person has covered themselves in petrol, they are likely to be threatning to ignite it for some reason or other.
So can you tell us what you would have done, if a man standing in front of you, covered with petrol is threatening to ignite it.
Even if you know that the taser may ignite the petrol would you fire it and hope that it didnt or do you let him flick his lighter?
One hellava decision to make in a split second I would say.
Richard grayI recon the ‘NO’ vote is in the lead simply because when you vote, you don’t have to give your name or address, hence there is nothing stopping you going on various computers and voting again and again!!
60 40 to yes now. Wonder if my 4 votes have helped? These surveys should hold no water, as you can go back and vote again and again.
Richard grayJim, Why are you sitting on the boarder has he not paid the rent? :D:D:D:D
Richard grayJim, Why are you sitting on the boarder has he not paid the rent? :D:D:D:D
Richard grayRichard grayOn second thoughts, it has to be 0.5 as the base unit of 5 is acutally 1.
Oh sod it! going to work where we deal in real numbers.:D:D
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