on a second thought, maybe that’s the method used for the F-35… too bad the reality doesn’t “calculate” the same way….. we see where it goes :p
one has to wonder, why air forces do thorough test of aircraft.. they should just give a call to obligatory and he’ll make a calculation or two and tell them what aircraft they need… so much wasted money… tssss… 😀
Yet again, both the swiss testers & the evaluation itself refer to the model that wasn’t selected (C)
but the media imply that include E.
they’re talking about the aircraft they’ve been given to test. For all I can tell, the swiss test pilots are professionals who know their job, not some spoiled kids whining for no valid reason. if their report says : “this thing is, and should remain unacceptably below our standards” chances are they’re right
actually, the most important part is not this or that technical detail about the aircraft, as it’s intended for a large audience that has no clue nor interest in the aircraft itself, but the two following facts:
– swiss testers being disappointed at the difference between SAABs claims and reality, as well as SAAB’s behavior about it.
– the result of that disappointment on the evaluation commission which, according to the article, should recommend (7 members out of 8) another request for proposal from the manufacturers with a fixed price and taking into consideration the measured capabilities of the aircrafts.
if that is true (we’ll know soon enough), dassault and eurofighter gmbh could make proposals based on their strengths… for example, 15-16 rafales could be considered as operationally equivalent to the 22 gripens, which may negate the gripen’s price advantage (especially if dassault can lower its price even more with infian deal in mind)
basically, things may become interesting in the weeks to come 😉
I don’t see any overshoot. it’s supposed to touch at the markers (big white rectangles, normally)
but what I find sloppy is that every time that thing rolls, it falls like a ton of bricks…
at least e know where robban stands in the matter: “unobjective pro-gripen”, right? 😉
in any case, it seems to have had dissapointing top speed during the tests…
the problem with Le Matin is that its a Swiss pro-French separatist newspaper, so naturally they are adverse to the germanic speakers.
Gripen is not intended to replace the Hornet or fight Hornets. you relax Eagle1.. the Swiss will buy the rafales eventually to replace the Hornets. they will have both Gripen and Rafale.
actually, if they buy the gripen (as planned) they’ll be partners in the program. I can hardly imagine them buying another type when the hornets get retired, while they build (partly at least) the gripen.
However, saying that Le Matin is a “separatist pro-french newspaper”… where did you get that from?
in any case, until now, in that deal they’ve had pretty good sources, so, if what they say there is correct, one could wonder whether the deal will stand, between the “new offerings” the manufacturers could be invited to provide, the low level of performance the testers get out of the modified gripen, the amount of modifications still required…
@ obligatory
right now, it seems that it’s the swiss air force that you should show that pic…
if the article from “Le Matin” says true, things may change soon (among other things, the commission that has to review the purchase seems to be almost unanimous (the one member that is supporting the deal “as is” is Ueli Maurer’s friend – not necessarily the most objective member on the subject) about asking for another proposal.
basically, it’s not about operational capabilities but just interservice rivalry
obviously, for some top brass in USAF, getting things their way “against” other branches comes before operational suitability
Agreed. A lot can happen between the writing of an article and it being published. I haven’t had any issues with Craig Hoyle’s style of journalism before.
I hope you aren’t going to accuse him of secretly being Jackonicko now are you TooCool?:D
me? naah, I’m just gonna laugh if the swiss have to stick to their valleys as their new toy can’t get above the mountains their country is made of… 😀
you should prepare us for such crap, man…. just spilled my coffee over my keyboard laughing… 😀
the article says 12000ft (3660m)
if it’s 12000m, that would sound more logical (and would be around 36000ft), but doesn’t shed a very positive light on that journalists professionalism 😉
one funny detail:
“We simulated a quick reaction alert and a maximum performance intercept to high altitude and supersonic speed. “
“Sorties were conducted up to an altitude of 12,000ft (3,660m) and to a maximum speed of Mach 1.35, according to Armasuisse.”
er, in switzerland they’d be hugging the mountain tops (litteraly sometimes) at 12000ft… 😀
LM, not that I know, but when the Super Sabre went into production before being safe (lateral unstability problems underlined by the USAF flight test and overturned by lobbying from NA), it killed several pilots before it was grounded and NA had to modify at its own expense the design and all airframes already in service, almost bankrupting the company.
Funny when you think of it, should the government do the same with the F-35 (hopefully not killing pilots in the process) and buying as LM wants, just to turn back at LM later on and have them modify at their own expense the airframes, LM would probably go under in the process