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    Funnily enough, I’ve never heard the Rafale F1s described as ‘prototypes’. All its supporters insist that all was fine because it did what it was meant to, but for some reason the same doesn’t apply to the 2B & 3I. Different standard applies. The Rafale F1s “did some flying over real war zones (Afghanistan)”, presumably keeping the Taliban Air Force at bay, but the F-35s in South Korea/Japan are only “flying gently in peaceful skies”.

    The Rafale F1 did what it was supposed to do – perform fleet protection (and air superiority missions over Afghanistan, as with any no fly zone) but they were preseries examples and destined to be upgraded lateer on, which is why they ordered a limited number of these.. and only once the aircraft was considered fully developed to fly. The capabilities were added later on. The F-35 was produced in high numbers even before its flight envelope was fully tested.

    As for zones, the Afghanistan was (and still is, a real war zone) and a pilot who’d have a malfunction would be in serious trouble even if he ejected safely over taliban areas… isn’t it strange that everybody wants the “combat proven” sticker on its product ASAP and yet, the F-35 that’s, officially at least, operational, goes to completely opposite side of the planet from the part of the world where it would put to good use its primary capabilities, which consist of dropping stuff that goes ka-boom on bad guys?

    TooCool_12f
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    fact being, that “F5 replacement” was a good step for “F-18 replacement” to come a few years alter. If the swiss had bought a fighter, it would end up replacing the hornets (by extending the order no more airframes) less than 10 years later

    TooCool_12f
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    Kadena, Okinawa

    some 650km from china. And you think they’ll go over China with it? my bet is they’ll just fly around Okinawa and a little over international airspace, but certainly not going aggressive near China’s coast… as for North Korea, it’s way over 1000km from there.. again, not exactly their everyday’s playground 😉

    TooCool_12f
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    10 F1 which in the context of the total planned fleet was 18% of all Rafales built for France. There are roughly 200 F-35’s that require various upgrades (some just the software load to 3F) to bring them up to full combat capability, that is roughly 17.5% of the currently planned F-35 procurement numbers.

    So, there’s that.

    fact is that, at first, they planned for more than 320 Rafales and then, if you take some fighters to perform some duty, you don’t take one or two.. there’s a minimum number of fighters to take on board if you want to do continuous operations. So they bought these 10 fighters not by “percentage to use” but rather as a minimum viable force.

    TooCool_12f
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    What are they doing? well, flying gently in peaceful skies, I’d say… they don’t go nowhere near China or Korea with it

    as for the F1, as I said, it was the A2A version that was only A2A capable. You can say they used the 10 fighters for development if you like… the USA use a couple of hundred F-35s for that… same same thing.. a limited aircraft that’s there just to do some flying, continue development and, at least, the F1 did some flying (Air Superiority missions) over real war zones (Afghanistan), even if it couldn’t do anything against the guys on the ground…

    TooCool_12f
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    underdeveloped like.. still at prototype level?

    they decided to produce loads of F-35s even before the testing was over for the IOC.. that’s loads of fighters that will need to be upgraded just to become operational. The french introduced 10 rafales F1 for initial IOC as fleet defenders (to replace the F8F retired a few years earlier)… they never proposed the F1 for sale to anyone.. the USA are doing just that..

    TooCool_12f
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    I never said it is a failure on part of Eurofighter.

    I say that Eurofighter was slowed down by political nickpicking and that the development of the Typhoon has been orientated (more specialized) for the same reason. That is also the reason (politics) why it still rags after the Rafale in several areas today, while it started the development at the very same moment (they are both the product of the same program, the only difference being that in the Rafale’s case, while fundings were reduced by the politicians, there was always clear path ahead and continuous support (even if less funded).

    And that is also the reason why I’m pretty certain that it will be hampered by politics as a newer and shinier toy comes in the house now

    TooCool_12f
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    But the fact is, Switzerland does not need a bomber, and does need something to intercept intruders quickly and cheaply.

    I’d agree on this one, but the problem is that the swiss don’t seem to think like that.. ground attack was part of evaluation last time.. they want a multirole fighter, regardless the fact that they’ll use it in air policing role and eventually parade only.

    For the rest, there’s saying: “learn your history as to avoid making same errors again”

    I look at facts that took place and don’t dismiss them on hopes that those who did it will change…

    Facts:

    – British and Italians buy the F-35 for A2G
    – Germans look at the F-35 for A2G
    – Spain would love to get the F-35 for A2G (but they are broke)
    – all of them keep their Typhoons primarily for A2A
    – from the day one, the Typhoon was repeatedly delayed not because the engineers were bad or air forces reluctant to buy, but because the politicians made calculations that made them cut fundings and nitpick for every detail they considered “unneeded”

    now, considering that it is the politicians who decide what cash can be spent on this or that weapons system, it seems to me that there’s little chance that the Typhoon, who already had difficulties getting the funding that was needed when it was the top offer in these countries, get the follow up a customer may expect now that all partners are already looking elsewhere… they can declare on paper “yeah, we’ll do…” but who can give you any guaranty for real that the promised stuff will be delivered? Some politicians like to remind that “Promises engage only those who believe them” … I believe facts… and the facts about behavior of the partner nations until now in this program don’t give me many reasons for optimism

    TooCool_12f
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    Its pretty much irrelevant what you or me think, the contracts for P3E(B) are already signed

    they signed also for the batches they, in the end, cancelled… when the Typhoon gets that stuff, it will be fine, until then…

    TooCool_12f
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    if I’m not mistaken, the SH was already not competing during previous competition, as for the F-16, I answered that one earlier: it was a contender for the first swiss order that ended up with F-18 buy.. they won’t go for the airframe that lost their tender 30 years ago, even if it’s a completely modernized version

    TooCool_12f
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    The Rafale is supposed to remain in service at least up to 2040-2045 before starting being replaced… as of what RAF would like and what the government will let them have, these are two different stories… time will tell how it turns out, but I’m rather skeptical about its development going much further in the A2G department

    TooCool_12f
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    TooCool_12f, I have to pick up on the Typhoon comment.

    You cannot claim that the Typhoon is just A2A. Did you just cut and paste your comment from the previous competition?

    It may not be in with a chance for this competition (I don’t see why), but Typhoon is not A2A only and in claiming so, you appear not to have any idea what you are talking about.

    I don’t say the Typhoon is A2A only capable. I say that the makers opt for another A2G platform, which obviously means they’ll let the further development of the Typhoon in that area at a relatively low level. Typhoon of today is multirole to a degree, but how much more development will go into it until a possible introduction in 2025?

    TooCool_12f
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    Yes because Denmark wasn’t a “real” competition because the F-35 won…

    er, when did Denmark fly the F-35 and test it in real time? or any other opponent? SAAB didn’t even bother to send documents as they considered the whole thing was just a make up while the real decision has been taken already. I’m talking about “real competition” as “real evaluation of proposed aircraft” , not just written documents and powerpoint comparisons

    in reply to: Israel F-35 damaged. Bird collision or Syrian S-200 ? #2131071
    TooCool_12f
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    Never seen a stork having gases?

    man, that must be a helluva fart to propel it fast enough to catch up with a jet… 😀

    in reply to: Israel F-35 damaged. Bird collision or Syrian S-200 ? #2131097
    TooCool_12f
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    thing is, if there was a picture of damage on forward part of the aircraft, it could show birdstrike damage. if the damage is in the rear, with parts torn off and plenty of tiny holes around, it would require a very special “bird” to do it… 😀

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