when you read the last part of the article:
At the same time, Lockheed officials have spoken confidently about their ability to meet reduced schedule targets. The Department of Defense, for instance, earlier this year reduced the number of scheduled flight tests in FY2010 from 1,243 to 394.
one understands how it is “on schedule”.. if you schedule less than a 1/3rd of the planned flights, you can say it’s on schedule… only not the promised one.
same for the costs. still from the article:
The FY2011 budget request, if approved, would raise F-35 spending to almost $68 billion, or more than has been spent on development and procurement for all 188 F-22s.
up to now, (before any delivery of any sort) the F-35 costed more than the entire fleet of raptors and their development. So much for the “affordable fighter”.
Actually, the history is a repetition, and often the mistakes are the part that’s repeated. After McNamara in the 60’s the US again went for a common design that is supposed to be “cheap”… and it goes again downhill. the major difference is that this time, the aerospace industry is concentrated in a couple of contesters which means you have less reactivity in case something goes wrong (not to speak of development cycles that are getting longer and longer).
as for:
History indicates that number will in fact be greater. Don’t be fooled into thinking that today’s economic problems &/or anti-military adminstration will last forever.
considering that all nations are reducing their numbers, one can only look at you and ask:
What planet are you on?
it becomes funny after some time.. looking at kiwinopal running in circles and posting his misinterpretations (to stay polite) all around the place…
actually, it may be efficient in convincing somebody just passing by, since it’s his posts that are most visible…
often inaccurate but visible 😀
one thing one has to wonder, why do manufacturers spend billions on developing and testing various aircraft, etc… while we here have such geniuses who can say immediately that this or that formula is better with no doubt and, just by quickly looking at one design say what the performance, drag, lift, etc.. will be
politicians want the F-35 to be that aircraft… remains to be seen if the US Navy will be convinced…
’till now, they seem to be rather hesitating about it, to say the least.
If they want a replacement for the SH, and to have it in service in 15 yers from now, it either is the F-35 or they don’t get the JSF at all
considering India wants ToT, the F-35 is already out of the game altogether.. since even basic level of ToT (including the source codes necessary for integration of local weapons) that’s granted by any other maunfacturer won’t be done for the F-35.
So, the F-35 is out, why talk about it? simply because LM hopes to sell the F-16 to India and they waive the F-35 in hope India may be interested…
Marketing talk, basically
no, he talks about bluewings… 😉
kiwinopal, any fighter market is political, so bragging that this or that is better because it was chosen is futile, as the aircraft’s performance was way down on the list of priorities that led to the decision as to which fighter to buy.
Now, considering the political weight of the US, they can produce the best fighter out there or not, they’ll still sell a whole bunch of these.
thanks BW
but if you really want to see what saw edging looks like, see pics of the pre painted, last built f-35
actually, considering that these pics are from real production and operational aircraft, one can consider them as “what saw edging looks like”… 😀
albeit, it is the way dassault chose to make them.. others can do other way if they like.
Using low-band radar doesn’t automatically means that you will see the stealth intruder. Of course, modern stealth fighter are optimized for X-band, but it doesn’t mean that in lower bands their stealth is nonexistent.
One of the best low-band radar Vostok-E (still only few prototypes only exist ) is claimed to be able to detect F-117 in jammed environment (jammer: 200W/MHz, distance 200km) from a distance of 57km (F-14 – 150km). That’s not bad, but the F-117 isn’t the best VLO thing out there. Besides – Vostok-E is only 2-dimensional radar. Nebo SVU seems to have smaller range, but it’s a 3-dimensional radar with better measurement accuracy, so in theory you can try to guide a missile using it. But even when you fire an active radar homing missile – detection and lock on range against stealth fighter will be much smaller (~3km). So, firing a missile from a distance of 100km means that there is a high probability that the missile will just fly 2-3km next to the fighter and will not see him – measurement accuracy of low-band radars is insufficient, so you have to shoot from a much smaller distance.IRST is a good way to counter stealth, but modern IR sensors have much smaller range than modern radar. For example new Russian OLS-35 for Su-35 has a max detection range of 35km (front) and up to 90km (rear hemisphere), but only under optimal conditions. IRST is highly dependent on the weather – so if there it rains or there is a cloud cover, ranges would be much smaller. Besides – it’s hard to have a firing solution without knowing the range, and OLS-35 (for example) can measure range under optimal conditions up to 20km. Besides – modern stealth fighters (such as F-35) are covered with topcoat that suppresses IR signature.
So – it’s really hard to make a stealth fighter as visible as other conventional fighters.
actually, the low freq radars can detect stealth aircraft with a few km margin. while it’s not enough to efficiently aim a AAA gun, an interceptor with IRST could be directed in the right direction, using approximative position of the target by link16 (interceptor remains passive to stay undetected) and acquire the target with its IRST. from there on, firing a missile or two (just in case) could make attackers day pretty complicated.
same for eventual SAM which would need to have a good IR seeker integrateed (there’s no SAM i know of that has it to this point, but, considering the size of a missiles “nose”, you could make it pretty big – sensitive allowing for a good detection range), as well as a Link16 and LOAL capability, so that you can fire it in the general direction of the incoming aircraft, update their position if necessary until the seeker locks on and does the terminal guidance.
what’s more, Such a SAM could be launched passively (the radar network could simply order the launch from a distance.. no need for an emitter close by), so its position remains undetected until it’s been fired
actually, if your intent is just “to counter incoming stealthy aircraft, and probably supercruising”, acting over your own territory, a low frequency radar used to locate incoming aircraft, combined with interceptors using a good quality IRST, and Link16 or similar in order to get updates on “where to look” could do the trick. Your interceptors, as directed towards incoming aircraft would need some front RCS reduction, but could do with less refined rear end.
another idea would be SAMs using IR guidance (needing to be developed), with the size of the nose cone, you could develop a very sensitive seeker, capable to track a target from a good distance. If you combined such SAMs with low frequency radar system (for initial guidance so the missiles seeker gets to look in the right direction) you could build a defense system where fighters using passive stealth would be “naked”, basically.. just as visible as other, more conventional fighters.
What thy need in Afhganistan is AD-1 Skyraider or P-47 Thundebolt.
that’s why I talked about the A10 in the first place: a modern version of the A-1 (or AD-1 for the navy version). Bomb truck, armored, sturdy, and capable of doing the job down low
Why you fantasize? The Cobra means the nose at 120 deg of AoA does not tilt, it is kept at 0 deg from the longitudinal axis and flight path at yaw in few words 0 deg at yaw.
You can insist and call it Cobra but it is not, in order to do the cobra the aircraft has to have a pitch angle of 120 deg and 0 deg at yaw.
By stability we mean 0 deg at yaw because most aircraft will have nose slips at 60 or 70 deg of AoA and this leads to departure.The Drakken is banking and it is not showing a 120 deg at pitch and 0 deg at yaw.
Historically the first pilot to have done it was Victor Pugachev.
I fantasize? now that’s a good one… you you have a clear video of a cobra executed by a draken, and, without even watching it you dismiss it as “no it’s not that”… adding “rules” to exclude the draken’s manouver from “your cobra definition”… except that with such strict definition (120° sharp!!!), more often than not, the Su-27 did not execute a cobra (usually, it goes to about 100°, and not more (wiki describes it as pulling up to a range between 90° and 120° AoA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Cobra
which matches what usually happens 😉
No he is not. EADS & NG were partners & EADS was 100% behind the threats to not bid unless the solicitation criteria were altered to accomodate their otherwise noncompetative platform.
so EADS dumped NG and went on all by themselves by against their own will?
That is not a cobra. is a banking recovery due to lack of efficient lateral stability
ROFL… the only moment the draken banks is to get clear of his wingman flying close formation, besides, if he had poor lateral stability, he woudln’t dare go to such AoA while not perfectly straight up.
The cobra consists of pulling suddenly your aircraft to beyond 90° AoA, slowing down before the nose drops back forward and you reaccelerate, all while maintainint your trajectory pretty much straight
what part of drakens manouver doesn’t fit?
By definition tailplanes are farther way from the wings
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the tailplanes are “biting” into the wings on the raptor, even on a close coupled canard like the rafale, there’s a small distance between the canards and the wings, not to speak about the typhoon
by definition, there’s no “specific distance difference” between canards and wings and tailplanes and wings, the only difference “by definition” is that the first are ahead of the wing and second behind
as long as it is straight line, it would probably manage to do fine, with, eventually, a few “reinforcements” around the leading edges etc, to withstand heat.
however, if it tried to manouver at supersonic speeds, that’s another story.. but I guess it would depend on aircrft’s history. some F-15s started to break in recent years, obviously, the structure grew old at some point… the efforts it would have to stand while being hot may be difficult to manage, indeed