Err yes this is only about the ~6th time it has come up on this forum.

But I can play games too, how about anybody provide a link for the numbers they are citing. :rolleyes:

I provide mine, but you constantly claim things with very little (if any) links to prove what you say

what lessons? it’s not brasil who suffered from that, and today, it’s brasil and france that have partnered.

If they should avoid all countries that, at one point or another, have not been nice to them, they should buy chinese aircraft… or india’s ones.. only problem, they are russian to start with, and maybe don’t meet the requirements on certain grounds.

And if france respects the “total” part of “total technology transfer”, what france may want or not in the future would be irrelevant in regards to the rafale, since it would be “100% made in brasil” (and yes, if they do the 100% tech transfer, which is what only they can and do propose today).. and that’s the whole idea behind lula’s claim on “brasilian sovereignity and independance”

joke relative to brasilian market.. they managed to have “a brasilian individual” start a prosecution against brasilian government for “non economical choice”, so, I guess they’d be able to find something similar in romania 😉

“a brasilian individual”

… 😀

a more interesting part is:

“A spokesman for interior ministry told AFP the prosecutor would now “gather information to decide whether … there is a civil case to answer.” The inquiry could last as long as a year, the source added.”

that one year delay does bring us to the next president, what’s next? it just keeps better and better

Sign & Loke, two points:

– if you import the engine, you’re dependant on the provider.

– brasil don’t want the US to be able to interfere with their defence

in any case, the F414 engine won’t cut it in these conditions.

If the EJ200 is to be fit into the airframe, it’s another story, but for now it isn’t proposed as such (which is strange since Lula expressed concern over the US provider, SAAB probably would have proposed that modification if it was “so simple”

it keeps being more and more farcical… the “support” for gripen whose article Loke translated said:

“The other two aircraft, even the more advanced versions such as the F/A18 Super Hornet, already in service for some years. The Rafale does not have a version of the new generation.”

the rafale entered service after year 2000, it does not have “jast a version”, it IS a new generation aircraft… as much as the gripen NG can expect to be if it ever enters production. The only that can seriously pretend to be “higher generation” than the rafale today is the F-22, the other “potential contenders” are still years from entering service. But again, it’s the easiest way to sell something: downplay the competition, especially if your comments are misleading

Well, the main point in “total technological transfer” is the word “total”.. if that means: “we totally let you import put together finished parts we produce”, then, obviously, there’s no transfer…

Whether we can believe it or not doesn’t really matter.. from Dassault’s POV, selling all the details of their latest bird may soun,d crazy, but if it brings them several marteks that otherwise wouldn’t go their way, it’s still a profitable deal for them.

If they sell to brasil, even at a bargain price, it’s still money coming in, compared to not selling at all and having all the technology for themselves which doesn’t earn them squat. IF that brings the UAE market, lybian and eventually koweiti market, it’s all the better.

The US are ready to give romania FREE f-16s.. where’s the profit? in these old aircraft? no, it’s in weapons they’ll sell them, the maintainance and, eventually, newer aircraft they’ll buy later… not to speak of preventing an eventual european company making business with romania. Dassault with brasil, it’s the same. brasil gets rafales ata cheap price (for the rafale) and dassault gets a better possibility to sell it elsewhere as well…