the value was in marketing terms… Air France several times stated that Concorde flights made no benefits as such, but contributed to the prestige image of the company
bring_it_on, I merely cited the what’s written original post:
Furthermore, it is not clear if the F-35 can become operational again because its stealth coating was damaged.
which looked curious to me, to say the least
@ GarryA
I have a pretty good idea of what a bird can do to a plane, but you don’t seem to have an idea what it takes to make a brand new plane impossible to repair, especially if they say only that “stealth panels were damaged”.. if its definitively out of service for “skin damage”, then LM should reconsider the idea of building combat aircraft which, by definition, may have to suffer damage of much more lethal stuff than birds… in any case, if we get to know what happened, cool, time will tell
directly hit maybe not, but could just as well explode nearby (proximity fused?)
considering that one can find the pictures of the F-35 on assembly line rather easily (so, not a big deal about thing sinside being seen as long as you don’t make a high-res closeup pic of the part ripped away), one can wonder why you don’t see any pics of that “bird strike” what’s more, a bird strike that would make the airplane definitely out of service because “stealth coating was damaged” sounds strange to the least… you can’t replace damaged panels on it? and if its the structure that’s damaged, it must’ve been a helluva bird, if you ask me…
one can wonder how the engine will work when approaching (or even going beyond) Mach 1.. if the air intake is too wide, that may be good for initial acceleration, but a penalty once going fast…
thing is, for long supersonic transport, you need to make it economically viable… and there’s only so many people that will pay high ticket prices to use them…
So, if your market is small, your development cost will much more dramatically increase your costs per plane… It is not so much about technology, since, as you said, technologically, we do know how to make fast aircraft.. it is about “economically viable technology”.. making an aircraft that’ll go supersonically on a daily basis around the world without guzzling tons of fuel per seat…
no..
with all the data from the XB-70 that the USA did have and europeans did not, it is the europeans and the russians who made SSTs a reality, almost 50 years ago already, while the US manufacturers abandoned
there isn’t anything that XB-70 would bring as so revolutionary as to make SSTs economically viable once the pertol crisis hit the world… nothing
once more, when you look at it, when petrol went up in 1973 there was first crisis due to petrol which rised the costs a lot.. another one in 1979. It made the Concorde definitely impossible to sell at a price that would make it profitable.. even if it went somewhat down later on, the damage was done.. No company would buy it
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The regulations just added another layer of difficulty on top of it
From there on, developing another supersonic airliner wasn’t economically imaginable, as even if it was technically more efficient (the technologies would still need to be developed first as the Concorde was very advanced, considering what was known at the time, and even today), it would be extremely difficult to sell, and, as a result, getting fundings to develop it was simply impossible for several decades
well, fact is, the contrails do reduce the atmospheric temperature… by reflecting sun rays back to space.. this phenomenon has been observed after the 9/11 when the US airspace was forbidden for several days to any traffic and the temperatures rose by several degrees as the contrails that, normally, cover a good part of east USA weren’t there
however, during the early 1970’s, the real motivations for that regulation had little to do with the atmosphere
Some pics here:
http://casoaislado.com/salen-la-luz-las-fotos-del-accidente-del-eurofighter/
On arrival to Albacete Airbase, three aircraft pulled up, the fourth just rolled slowly until inverted and plunged to the ground
no
they did, however, buy some used Super Etendards Moernisés from the french navy.. they’ll keep flying the same type they already have, but with better equipment and maybe some more hours left in them
swerve
it became a failure after the oil crisis. the USA reaction (which was not unlike the tax they’ve put on Bombardier sale to Delta recently) was just another thing that made sure it would be profitable. if the oil did remain at the prices it had before, it would still have operated over a certain number of routes and potentially make profits.
Crashes? the Concorde crashed only once… one time too many, of course, but only once
The main problem of the Concorde was in two facts:
– the US protectionism that forbid it from flying over continental USA
– the 1974 crisis when oil prices jumped through the roof, resulting in the impossibility to make any profit with the Concorde (as the ticket price to make profits would have been so high that way too few people would be able to afford it). British Airways and Air France both had their part of the Concorde initial production which they kept flying for prestige reasons, even if they made no direct money on it
what’s more, the B-52 is an old horse that can be adapted to any needs.. the Russians had the Myasitchev M-50 even earlier in the pipeline which was disposed of in the early 1960’s as they developed missiles to do the job (a lot cheaper to maintain).. same thing: the mission for which it was made disappeared
There was a 5th loss in 2012 –
ah, didn’t know about that one