what I find funny is that some, like kapedani, goes on to compare a prototype, unpainted and without any RAM coating to a finished F-22.
just by applying paint you’d get a lot smoother surface than that T-50 shot… not talking about any RAM coating
yeah, i bet there wasnt any delays in toans and your favorite plane
on time and on budget would have been a total success and an example to the world how it should be done
it makes you wonder why the aussies rejected the euro’s and chose with other countries the f-35
actually, most delays were due to the fact that politicians put the buidgets elsewhere instead of keeping orders as they initially planned. while doing that, they also added new stuff they wanted inside…
the F-35 did not suffer from that (when ordered, the program continued its development towards what it was supposed to be)
as for delays, it can also be noticed that the initial programs (studies) that led to the JSF and the F-35 started less than 10 years after the initial studies that led to the rafale, and the introduction in service will be more than ten years later.
I did not ‘finally admit’ anything. My initial statment should have been clear enough to anyone who has bothered to follow the program to any significant degree. If anything YOU ‘finnaly’ got what I said.
you said it’s delayed relatively to 2007 schedule, and the 2007 schedule is an already several times delayed schedule, so you, indeed, admitted it’s delayed from a delayed schedule, like it or not… it’s not months but years late, period
actually, the article states that they put into practice in real flight (in a two seater) what they learned in one day in the simulator…
it, basically, undelines the used-friendly interface of the rafale (more or less, you could read that “any guy knowing to fly will manage to do soemthing with it with only one day training”)
well, if he starts taking the rafale as an example, we can’t stop him on such a good way… at least, he looks up a product that successfully combines air force and navy use, doing everything the aussies hope to find in the f-35 😀
if you look at the “corridor” between engines, it was a convergent/divergent profile. maybe that, with engines’ thrust on boths sides it acts by providing some additional thrust? it may improve high speed performance (supercruise?) while not really hampering the stealthiness so much (front RCS is probably good, and directly from the sides, it still remazins to be seen if it’s really so “ugly” )
sferrin’s right, if the R&D has been paid for with previous orders, the aircraft ordered today will cost only the production price, which is way lower
well, it has some similarities…
but there’s ont big difference: in the 60’s, there were still many aircraft manufacturers capable of building a new aircraft in a reasonable period, and how many are there today?
with aircraft service time lenghtened to several decades, the manufacturers left are only a handful (regrouped into 2-3 societies, basically, and some made no fighters for decades)
I can not make it any more clear. When LM & the Program Office tell you the program is ~6 months behind schedule, they mean ~6 months behind the 2007 schedule. When JET PROJECTED that the program COULD fall 24-30 months behind schedule, they mean 24-30 months behind the 2007 schedule. LM & the Program Office are telling the ACTUAL STATUS of the program, JET is PROJECTING (& not even based on the actual status of the program) how far it COULD fall behind.
as 2007 was an already delayed schedule, you finally agree it’s behind an already delayed schedule.. thank you for finally admitting it
the same would apply if we brought rafales, i dont see your point
actually, no.. you’d get spares and all the know how to maintain them… which F-35 customers won’t have
yes we had that problem with one of the nordics when we went to vietnam
a good lesson, never buy off someone that doesnt share your views of the world
there’s only one little problem with the F-35.. if you buy it for the next 4 decades, how can you be certain that your seller will share the same ideas for 40 years to come? nobody can say for certain.
oh the good old days, when the rafale was designed as a low level bomber, the position of the air intake was to shield it from radar from above, as several plans of that era were
how things have changed in modern designs
so, because its intakes are looking downwards, the PAK-FA is a low level bomber too?
which 11 carriers?
but not being able to maintain it yourself is a definite flaw…. what if you go to war and your supplier estimates you shouldn’t? or simply has ties with your enemy of teh day? look at argentina in 1982. they bought aircraft but the antiship missiles remained in france. when they started sinking UK ships, Uk asked the french not to deliver and they didn’t.
what if the US decide not to support your aircraft while you go to fight a war? no more air support, no more air superiority with the lovely shiny (well, not so shiny in reality, but you get the picture) and COSTLY toy you bought from them… I’m not even talking about putting new stuff on it or modifying it, but simply maintaining the aircraft.
This would probably be better placed in the F35 thread. However can you expand on this, it’s not something i’ve heard so interested in the details of this “sovereignity software?” Does it mean that these countries won’t have to return the aircraft to the US for maintanence?
they won’t… there will be US maintanence site in italy, if I’m not mistaken :diablo:
All that effort and throw it away?
The US buy a foriegn plane? And people think us (UK) buying FRench is a strange concept…!!!!!!!
actually, the way it goes, cancelling the F-35 should result in using developed techs for improving other aircraft, while, at the same time, make an RFP for a “affordable” striker… something in the line of the F-16 (only better, of course) which would be cheap (compared to competition), on the schedule and have good performance because it uses stuff that’s available, not reinvent everything and pretend it will be affordable