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  • in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2009630
    TooCool_12f
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    Navalising the Hawk involved a major re-design in many areas. The Gripen, as the Saab press release says, is already designed for high controllability at slow speeds, high sink rates, low approach speeds etc. Seems to me that the Gripen is half way there, and the amount of work involved would actually be less than the Hawk required.
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    well, wait and see…

    russian aircraft also had good slow speed controllability, high sink rates, solid airframes etc.. and yet, they’re not exactly the cream of the crop in naval aviation today…

    if it was that simple, how is it possible that nobody managed to make a succesful naval fighter out of terrestrial aircraft (F-18 being completely redesigned, there’s little to talk about in the way “navalizing” )? USA had plenty of competent people to build naval aircraft and plenty of experience about naval operations and yet, even in the US no terrestrial aicraft ever managed to become a successful fighter from a carrier… not one…

    if saab finds somebody naive enough to believe the claim of “cheap/almost ready/world beater/navalized gripen” version, good for them… I’d be curious to see what they do with it

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2412656
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    yeah, right… there’s only a minor thingy named “aircraft carrier” that SAAB never made anything to operate from… piece of cake…

    be my guest 😀

    in reply to: Japan to consider F/A-22 to replace its F-4s #2412724
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    it’s for reaching warp 7 speeds… 😀

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2412729
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    I don’t consider it signed, don’t worry 😉

    but making a naval aircraft is something that has to be learned. Rafale, again, has a lot in common between the two versions (much more so than the F-35 A and C for example).

    For testing the rafale from the Sao Paulo you’d need to reinstall the deck extensions the french used while they were testing the rafale on it (it was named Foch back then), the catapult on it being a little too short or something like that.

    Anyway, believing that if one can make a terrestrial aircraft, one can transform it to a well performing navalised one for cheap is just wishful thinking 😉

    in reply to: the F-35, does it make any sense? #2412974
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    Why don’t the Europeans just walk away if they do not like it. They won’t because there is nothing that is comparable to the F 35 in their stables capability wise.

    several of them committed quite a lot of money to it (british the most) so the politician who decides to walk away from it should really have a good case, or he’s finished

    Besides, usually, the politicians are anything but aeronautical specialists, so, chances are big that they just believe it will be the world beater they were promised to get in the first place, if nothing else, because it costs so much… add some magical words like “stealth”, 5th gen (alone with the F22), for example and you won’t hear much from them…

    in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2009684
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    The Hawk was developed into the Goshawk, so why not the Sea Gripen?

    because one is a small and light trainer and the other one is supposed to be a quite heavier fighter

    a fully loaded Goshawk weighs a little over 6 tons, while the sea gripen would weigh about 8 tons empty. SAAB claims it would carry about 8.5 tons of fuel and external load.. that would give over 16 tons of aircraft to take of or, to land on the carrier (unless you drop lots of stuff to get back onboard… the difference is huge

    The lighter the aircraft, and easier it is to navalize it. You could go on a carrier with a cessna without any modification at all, but would it be interesting?

    in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2009687
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    so if BAe is out of the game, what would they bring to Sea Gripen then?

    as for ski jump take-offs, as said in the other sea gripen thread, the loadout would be extremely limited, which would make it even less interesting as a solution…

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2412986
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    One drawback of this – land-based AAR can’t be relied on for supporting carrier operations. One of the main reasons for buying a carrier is to be able to operate out of range of land bases.

    agreeed on that one.. what’s the purpose of having a carrier if it has to stay more or less in front of its harbour? if your tanker has to come from your territory, it can do so with fighters by its side as well, and you don’t need carriers anymore… if you have to go to refuel your fighters on the other side of the planet, you’d have to organize a raid like the one the british did to bomb the port stanley runway in 1982… not very efficient way to conduct carrier operations… 😉

    in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2009703
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    Er, just for information, what does BAe do in the gripen?

    in reply to: the F-35, does it make any sense? #2413194
    TooCool_12f
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    At least something equal:

    So with Israeli radar and EWS, there’s no edge anymore. Wasn’t the EWS of IAF F15s not better than the original of USAF too?
    What about weapons like Python V, could they at least use them instead of AIM 9?

    most of all, the US want to keep control over what’s going on… if israelis propose sufficiently good equipment, who can say that F-35 customers won’t turn to them to modernize their aircraft in the future?

    Right now, the model the USA propose is “buy F-35 and maintain it in a US built facility” which means, the nations that would have it would be completely dependant of the US political decisions for the use of the F-35 they bought. That’s precisely the point israelis don’t want, and most probably the others either…

    in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2009722
    TooCool_12f
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    What kind of experience has SAAB regarding Carriers?

    in one word:

    none

    and if you want a complete explanation:

    none

    😀

    in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2413369
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    Seems the brazil competition is causing some waves.

    http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/212-january-2010/10336-under-complicit-silence-of-nation-lula-is-swindling-brazil-with-the-rafales.html

    How are Rafales present export prospects in a nutshell ?.

    cheers

    article seeming just as serious as gripens PR statement that navalized gripen is “almost ready” (only a few “minor changes” to be done)

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2413372
    TooCool_12f
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    and to refuel up there you use what aircraft?

    With STOBAR, the only one you’d have that may take off from the carrier would be the gripen, and you can’t load it heavily or it will become really wet in there… 😉

    @ Ponen

    well, ok, these do carry aircraft… 😀

    For carrier building, yes, India do build (or rebuild would be more correct) carriers, but, again, unless I’m mistaken, they’re still learning about it. The french made a few of these during the last century and even if the partnership with UK was done for the 2nd carrier, they are pretty able to make new ones.

    Anyway, what I was saying was: which country can propose the carrier and the aircraft to put on it?

    US, Russia (technically at least) and France… and, between the two “serious” possibilities, it seems to me that France has the edge right now (pretty important partnership with brasil at this moment)

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2413853
    TooCool_12f
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    unless brasil buys second hand carriers (from the british for example), they’ll need to build some.. and guess what nation can propose them a deal about it (carriers AND aircraft)?

    France

    If they build a carrier with brasilians, it might be an interesting proposal to put the rafales on it and have the two aircraft air force and navy with many common parts… Swedish AFAIK never have built a carrier (just as they never made a naval aircraft.. so, if such thing goes further, we may just as well be here arguing similarily for the next couple of years… 😀

    in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2413856
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    And i would imagine that you had access to any official Eurofighter GMBH proposal and compare it with any official Dassault documentation…

    er, no, just to official prices paid by various nations buying it… and as for its capabilities, just reread this thread, missions capabilities of each of these two have been said ad nauseum… A2A with some A2G still in development for EF and still evolving, but much more versatile platform for the rafale… completely different stuff (even Jackonicko doesn’t deny this 😉 )

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