You do realize that Sweden is less than 2.5 Switzerlands smaller than metropolitan France? Which makes it 11 times the area of Switzerland – yep, that’s how freaking tiny the latter is. Airbase numbers? Post Cold War, both are down to 3 active fighter bases, i.e. the Swiss have an order of magnitude more bases per square kilometer.
Want to reconsider
nothing to reconsider… I didn’t just take a glance at a map, I flew there… and it was less than 10 years ago, not in the 1980’s 😉
Doesn’t really make a difference – what does Switzerland know that Sweden (which is several times the size, compounding any such issue) supposedly missed? As I said, not everything that is considered an essential requirement on paper actually makes sense in real world.
what doesn’t make a difference is what Mr Trident wishes is important… the swiss have put a requirement and the Gripen couldn’t fulfill it… it is a fact, period. the size of sweden as such is irrelevant as they have bases spread all over the place (and in any case, that gives them more time to catch up with a stray airliner, for example, time the swiss won’t have as the liner will leave their airspace quite rapidly).. what’s more, the Switzerland are a mountainous country while Sweden if pretty much flat in the direction from which they expect a threat, direction in which their flat surface is continued by the Baltic Sea, an even flatter surface making any attempt to approach easily visible on their radars.. so, . on one side, they have to react very rapidly (so need a quick reaction in full AB from the runway up) while on the other they have, comparatively, plenty of time to do so and can be more conservative about fuel consumption
it’s the difference between paper range and real range… on paper the gripen C/D is given 800km (on wiki), which should be a lot more than necessary for the swiss needs (largest straight distance is west-east ~350km), and yet, they were bingo fuel before completing an interception mission…
let’s wait for tests and to see what’s included in different offers before starting to say that this or that aircraft is the best choice for them
you should read swiss evaluations.. the gripen C couldn’t perform some of the tests because of lack of bingo fuel before finishing, which is why it scored insufficiently. Now the Gripen E should have more endurance, but while on paper it looks good, one should see what it gives in reality (which the swiss most certainly will check)
what I’m curious about is how they will test the F-35, as there are no two seaters and I doubt they qualify a pilot of a foreign nation to fly it solo just for testing purposes. On the other hand, taking for granted the paper data for the F-35, while testing the others, leads straight to court action from other contenders and disqualification of the whole process…
the “only” problem today is that once sold, the US don’t have the keys to decide when and on whom Egypt can use it 😉
why syrian markings? it has david star on the flank (where it’s blkurred, but at one moment you can see it
if you reer to wiki, it is a missile that can accelerate up to Mach 4.5 and hit targets up to 10km (over 30000ft) above the shooter.
Even if you give it zero velocity by shooting from the ground, it can reach easily say, about 8-10000ft and about Mach 2, which is certainly more than enough to hit an overconfident pilot flying in any aircraft at, say 5000ft or so.
When you look at the video of the Eagle, it never made any maneuver to avoid it, probably not seeing it. It drops lazily a couple of flares, probably only because it is the procedure after dropping bombs, but he obviously did not expect to be threatened in any way
I doubt the RBE2 LAM for MICA (and Meteor) on the Rafale supports AMRAAM, even US aircraft have to be modified to use the newer AIM-120D. Not sure what foreign weapons have been integrated on Rafale, but out of the RCAF weapon inventory, likely: AIM-120, AGM-65 aren’t. Any aircraft can carry the AIM-9, Rafale can carry the GBU (Paveway) series already.
We agree, as I said, physically, it can carry it (hook it on rails/pylons).. but to integrate it electronically (use it), it’s another story and would need US approval/cooperation to do so 😉
Canada will never buy a fighter not produced in the US. So it will be either the F-35A, F-35B, or the F-35C. Personally I think they will go for the F-35A
that’s pretty much certain. The Rafale would stand a good chance if, under god knows what circumstances, LM managed to pi$$ up the Canadians as Boeing did… and even then… who knows? 😉
it can physically (the rails are standard), but the integration hasn’t been done and it needs US approval to make it
it depends on what they want to integrate… Weapons have a time limit (beyond certain date they have to be either used or recycled), so, if they are to be used, All Canada needs is to use those they won’t have on the Rafale.
Unless they plan on carrying nukes (American) which the USA may not accept to integrate on the Rafale, for the rest, it should be fine as, even if the US refuse the integration of this or that weapon, the french can provide an equivalent for almost any job they may need to do.. For example, today as short range IR missiles, they have sidewinders (remains to see how many years before thy need to be renewed – see above) and if they want to keep using them, they’d need to be integrated. On the other hand, Rafale uses MICA in IR version on wingtips which is integrated as an IR sensor for the system (sensor fusion and so on), which gives it also more range than the sidewinder (knowing also that the IR and EM MICA is the same missile with only the different sensor tip put on it (sensor which can be changed by simply removing it as is. The connector is exactly the same and there’s nothing to reprogram, the missile recognizes automatically what sensor is fixed on it.
Some were claiming that it would not be able to be integrated into NORAD system, but, if F-16’s and F-18s can be integrated, it’s obviously not something you can’t install in any fighter built in the last 30 years. The modalities of that installation could be negotiated with no problem (it could be perfectly made internally by a Canadian company in Canada for example)
obviously, especially if one aims at equipping more or less only RCAF with it (say, build way less than 100 airframes) as not many nations in the world may have use of such aircraft; basically, USA – who build their own stuff, Russia who builds its own stuff, China, who may buy one or two and then build “their own”.. hem… stuff 😀
er, its eastern neighbors:
Czech Air Force:
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Hungarian Air Force
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compared to stripped down Typhoons F1 they have, chances are that, in case of war between these countries, there would be no Austrian Air Force left in no time
well, that’s what makes it weird above anything else… reviving an aircraft but, essentially, making a completely new one…
They could, eventually, keep the pure delta twin engine formula. After all, for a stealth design it represents the advantage to solve the edge alignment need… there are barely 5 edges around it, and it allows for a huge load of fuel (so good endurance), and it gives you naturally good transonic and supersonic drag values (so, good for supercruise as well) 🙂
Ok, let’s say “long ago” 😉
strange idea nonetheless 😉