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  • in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209075
    TooCool_12f
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    Good luck trying to replicate the success of the Russian intervention in Syria considering the disastrous state of our army.

    er, our army, or aviation shoudl I say, has dropped probably more ordnance and flown more missions than the russians (we’ve been there for something like three years while the russians no more than a year).. where the difference lays is in the fact that our “dear president” (some call him “flamby” not without reason) spent his time, as others from the western part of the world trying to destabilize Assad while fighting islamists, but not too much as islamists also fought Assad.. Had the westerners (or even only french) decided to go on and strike without other political concerns, ISIS would’ve been wiped out long before the russians even bothered to come down there. Putin has no such problems.. he has an ally that called him for help, he went there with a few aircraft and missiles and bombed the hell out of anything and anyone coming close to not being with him, period… Reminds you somewhat of american problem in Vietnam.. when every action needed the approval from Washington instead of being fought and decided in theater, they’ve wasted their time and many of their soldiers’ lives to, finally, loose the war

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209078
    TooCool_12f
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    it’s not a “problem” it’s a fact…

    Belgium is a small country with its particular needs and fighting wars on remote theaters where they have no business other than pleasing Uncle Sam is not what I’d call a “need”. So, buying something to fulfill someone else’s needs is wasting money, especially when you’re financially in a situation that you can barely afford a few dozen aircraft.

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209092
    TooCool_12f
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    You really should see someone for your problem, you know?

    The point is (the one you obviously do not want to admit) : France has the capability to intervene if it chooses to where it chooses to (weapons AND logistics). And it does have an interventionist policy second only to the USA. like it or not, that’s the way it is. They possess territories all around the planet and have an independant nuclear deterrence policy… All of which, Belgium has not.. like it or not, that’s the way it is as well.

    Could coalitions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Balkans and so on, do without the french? yes, they could have, it doesn’t change the fact that the french do have an international policy that is different from the belgian one. Belgium is a small country, pretty recently made (as we know it today, it exists independently since less than 200 years), and pretty much minded its own business ever since …

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209105
    TooCool_12f
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    They were based on the real things as they existed 10 years ago.

    but as we’re not in WWI anymore, and fighters take some 20 years to develop, 10 years ago is just as good as yesterday… 😉

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209112
    TooCool_12f
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    Which also makes every claim about the Rafale’s current superiority over the EF, SH & SV nothing but thin air, since there’s been no genuine flight trial of the aircraft as they stand today

    every claim based on papers only yes just like for any other aircraft.. factual data from trials or live operations, on the other hand, speak for themselves

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209116
    TooCool_12f
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    Works both ways. What’s the ‘real use’ for 185 Rafales (eventually 225) for France? Who’s it going to do the ‘real thing’ against? Belgium & UK to the north, Spain to the south, Britain to the west and Germany, Switzerland & Italy to the east… which direction is the invasion coming from?

    the small difference is that France has the policiy to intervene in operations outside its borders, be it by alliances with other countries -(like african countries) or by pure self interest, and they do so by their own means… besides the question whether I agree or not with their international policy, they have a military force that’s made to support that policy and has the capacity to do so. Belgium, on the other hand, has zero capability to go anywhere if not asked to by other, bigger guys. The only interventions outside their borders they can do is by following someone having the means to wage their wars and who can do without them anyway

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209128
    TooCool_12f
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    There was a potential SAM threat in Syria: Russian S-400.

    er, unless you were up to attacking the russians, you were pretty much safe from the S400… I thought you said the idea was to attack ISIS…

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209131
    TooCool_12f
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    That silly ‘argument’ again… Never heard of NATO?

    yes, and for your information it stands for “North Atlantic Treaty Organisation”.. countries around north atlantic that are to defend themselves from attack, not waging neocolonial wars around the globe

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209132
    TooCool_12f
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    So the obvious corollary to your argument – is that claims of the Rafale’s superiority over the EF, SH, SV are equally specious.. and you’ve hardly shied away from making them. (The Indian & Swiss evaluations are about a decade old – functionally obsolete.)

    the only thing said in my statement is that they evaluation from papers only is nothing but thin air. You dismiss the Swiss and Indian evaluations, but they are based on real thing and definitely more current than anything promised by manufacturers be it now or 20 years ago

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209135
    TooCool_12f
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    I don’t know, maybe that crazy notion called international alliances. The BAF flew in Bosnia, over Afghanistan and against ISIS, perfectly justifiable international actions where the BAF was able to contribute airpower to an international coalition.

    So they don’t need to buy the latest top notch thingy that they won’t have any real use for, they can just as well go in with their token participation of 4 ships at most, supporting the big guys having the means to do real thing…

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209225
    TooCool_12f
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    except that: what business do they have to go around the globe in the first place?

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209249
    TooCool_12f
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    Like I said, since ‘real aircraft’ haven’t been evaluated the Rafale’s (‘estimated’) advantage over the existing EF is purely hypothetical. For all we know the Super Hornet could be the best of the bunch, with only the lack of a proper evaluation standing in the way.

    So? where did I say anything about this or that aircraft? I said that what they called evaluation wasn’t one.. that works for everybody.. period

    you want an evaluation? India made one, the Swiss made one, for example…

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209268
    TooCool_12f
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    I mean simply that an evaluation when no real aircraft is evaluated means little as the guys doing the evaluation estimate how much they believe the documents provided by manufacturers instead of doing the job with the real aircraft and taking into consideration real data.

    From there on, if they don’t want one type, they can just say “the data provided isn’t reliable enough, we devalue it by xx%” and they can disqualify it… just as they can embellish the score of the bird you want to choose so it wins no matter what

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209283
    TooCool_12f
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    Have another look at the outcome of the Danish eval — the Typhoon (and SH) scored very poorly on the SEAD/DEAD mission.

    The F-35 did very well. It scored bigly (as some would have said).

    er, you speak about the eval where no aircraft came close to a danish pilot for evaluation, right? 😀

    in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2209294
    TooCool_12f
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    Imagine flying into East German airspace in an F-117 without stealth… would have been interesting.

    nah, just short :p :p :p

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