it was stated on SAABs site that first production Gripen E will roll out in 2018… and as the Swiss already bought the type (and their “competition” was for an “off the shelf fighter to enter service immediately”, chances are that the first batch goes to them… therefore, considering the size of SAAB, it is quite likely that the first deliveries to FAB can’t be done before.

well, that”s one line of thought, but another may be: why, since the brasilians are supposed to build their aircraft, can’t they build theirs in parallel, between 2018 and 2020?

swerve, if he can’t understand simple english, how can you expect from him to understand anything “lurking in the background” ? you must a very optimistic guy in everyday life 😉

next, he’ll explain to us that a mainframe from 1950’s was more advanced than todays laptops as it occupied whole rooms, regardless of calculating power they had…

Plz stop making such remarks without any proper justification /sources to back your claims

BTW i hope Jo Asakura is not watching your posts especially what i mention in bold

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Jo Asakura maybe know how to read, unlike you… I said “it may be or may not”, which, in plain english means: “WE DON’T KNOW IF IT IS MORE ADVANCED”.

what justification you need for that? I said that the only airforce that will be able to compare really the two is the one that will operate them both, and India will have that opportunity

besides, @ Vnomad, if you need to have it explained in a simpler way:

MMRCA is the way for India to gather knowledge from various sources, which is always better than remain dependant on a single one. As for the USA, they restric access to technology even to their closest allies (like UK), so you can bet they won’t provide anything really useful to an independant country like India

That’s the point. If the objective is to get the best fighter available, the impending arrival of the PAK FA actually works as incentive not to buy the Rafale.

The US is selling its latest stuff (eg. P-8, AH-64E) and the F-35 (I assume that’s what the reference was to) is available should India decide to pursue it.

except that the PAK-FA is not a multirole platform, and US stuff comes with no ToT to speak of (either yestardays tech, or simply not available). Besides, while the PAK-FA is a monster from dynamic PoV, the technological level (radar, electronics etc) may, or may not be more advanced than European stuff… only those that can put their hands on both without restrictions can have an idea… and India is one (if not the only one) nation that will have that opportunity

The F-35 is hardly inferior to any 4.5 Generation Fighter let alone the 3rd Generation F-4 Phantom. Which, is supported by an number of test pilots. Which, have extensive experience in Vipers, Hornets, Super Hornets, Typhoons, and Raptors.

Honestly, unbelievable that some still try to imply the F-35 is not a good dog fighter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cjvx5DsGqo

it has higher wing loading than the F-104… (not to speak of eurocanards or, if you prefer US references, any more or less modern US design). Somehow, I have some difficulty associating that “feature” with an aircraft supposedly considered as a “good dogfighter”… it may eventually be able to manage to pull up to 9G’s, but if it does so at twice the speed that its adversary of the day needs, it will rapidly be in deep trouble (and don’t talk to me about over-the-shoulder shots to save the day, as pretty much any modern air force has, or is getting, that capability – which depends mostly on the missile used – by now)

anyhow, again, guys keep comparing what they hope the F-35 will deliver years from now with capabilities demonstrated by others years ago as if it was today’s reality…

what would be interested is to wonder is there was at least ONE joint program that went as planned (cheaper, more efficient etc…)

we’ll see about the delays… as for the specs, it won’t ever reach those it was supposed to reach… it was the specs that have reached (being degraded) the capabilities of the aircraft…

?? ‘opinion which appears to rank the Eurocanards above F-35 in A2A’?

I’m fairly certain that the F-35 is generally considered a better A2A platform especially considering the statements from customers, with relatively few holdouts on this point (eg. APA). Of course the size of the differential in combat is still a matter of debate.

considering that as of today the F-35 isn’t even cleared for combat, it is inferior to an F-4… the only thing we have now are promises by LM… when it becomes operational (in some 5-10 years maybe) then we may, eventually, have some possibility to draw a comparison… until then, it’s simply a hope, expectation, desire, hopsalot’s wet dream, or anything else you may imagine along that pattern… in reality, it is a thingy that is far from being able to shoot anything down for some time to come