Cheers for replying- that adds up
I’ve just driven by – does anyone which of the Dakota’s is still parked up next to Sally B? Cheers
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This website should help you out a bit:
Here’s the last batch of photos. I’m afraid the light conditions got the better of some of them, so they’re included for what they are rather than the quality of photo. Unfortunately, the A26 Invader and P2 Neptune were too boxed in for photos, while the Nieva 42, Fairchild 22 and Fairchild 24 didn’t make the cut.
Here’s batch 2, one final batch to follow:
Part 2…
Part 2::
Creaking door, as for your first point – I think I’ve stated my view quite clearly in that the high ground wrecks in the UK are transitory in that they will decay over time (this is a slow process – a significant number of the wrecks go back to the 1940s and will be there for many more if left there). Yes, I include the B29 here – I don’t recall having made a special case for any particular wreck.
As for your second point:
Yes, these books do encourage people to visit them – and why not?
Yes, some people will take fragments home – it’s impossible to stop, but the majority do not. Furthermore, most of these wrecks are remote, relatively inaccessible, hard to locate, on steep or rough terrain, and often take a 3-6 round trip, which most people are not up to – or want to do. After all, that is the primary reason the wrecks are still there after so long.
As to who takes the parts – no-one knows definitively, it’s all speculation. It will be a combination of all 3 groups you identify (in what proportion we don’t know and there is no way of telling).
Regarding the Manchester Evening News article – I’m not a journalist so can’t be held responsible for the sensationalist tone. If you stop and think for a second about your repurchasing idea. Seriously? What impact would that have on the seller? Possibly, just possibly, he might think, great, I’ve sold the item – now I’ll sell some more. Furthermore, why on earth would local people want to shell out a tenner for a piece of the wreck and then return it?????? I think you need to see the wreck site with your own eyes and then possibly re-evaluate. As I’ve previously identified, they play a role in local history, and the idea of taking bits from sites where, frequently, people have died, to sell on for a tenner or more doesn’t sit well with people.
The eBay trade itself IS fuelled by what you call the ‘serious collector’. Very few other people would be searching for these parts, let alone shelling out the asking price for what are often fragments or very damaged.
I suggest you do move out of your armchair and spend a few hours in these areas to get a better perspective of what the wrecks are actually like, the terrain they’re located in, and how they’re perceived in the local area. For the people on this site – aviation enthusiasts – is the need to possess these remnants so great? When the ‘collectors’ are dead and gone, relatives who they are passed on to, or even organisations the items are donated to, will keep the most interesting items only (often for lack of space if anything else) and dispose of the rest.
I’ll say no more on the matter.
James, you’re right – the RAF and USAF did get there first and removed the majority, and, yes, their main concern will no doubt be the discovery of remains. No-one has claimed the wrecks were left as memorials.
For those who of us who actually live in ‘some blasted moor’ the wrecks actually have a significance, both in terms of modern local history and bringing in a small, but significant, number of walkers/ visitors throughout the year who will spend money in pubs, shops, etc. after a day on the moors – which all help small communities. Next time you’re up in the Peak District, just have a look in the tourist/hking-orientated shops and count up how many Peak District wreck books and Peak District wreck walking guides there are on sale.
Obviously, in spite of running past a number of these wrecks most weeks, I must be an ‘armchair tub thumper’ as I hold a view contrary to your own; so I attach a link from the Manchester Evening News form 2011 about B29 wreck ‘Overexposed’, the most well-known and accessible of all the wrecks:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/fury-over-sale-of-plane-crash-856920
Also, another from Aviation Safety Network – the final paragraph is of particular interest:
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=69124
Finally, one more from February 2018 concerning the daughter of ‘Overexposed”s pilot.
https://glossopchronicle.com/2018/02/daughter-plans-glossop-return-in-dads-memory/
The fate of the gun turret discovered in 2008 is also of note – shown at the local heritage centre until it closed, and it’s now on display at Newark Air Museum for all to see (admittedly, it might have looked better in a shed/ spare room shrine only ever to be seen by a handful of people and members of enthusiast websites).
History is transitory – not everything needs to be fossilised or preserved – those wrecks/parts that were of significance have been long been removed (e.g. the Stirling). Dispersed fragments hold far less significance, and to claim every scrap that’s on eBay or picked up is preserving aviation history is stretching it a little bit in my view.
I’m sure there are many views on leaving or removing the wrecks, and they are not just the preserve of aviation enthusiasts – it would serve us well to remember that sometimes.
Anyway, I need to get a tissue as I’m getting all dewey-eyed….
I can’t speak for Meddle, but that’s not my interpretation of his comments. He refers to the high ground wrecks in the UK, the majority of which have been in situ since the 40s, 50s and 60s, rather than items whose appearance is of a more haphazard and transient event, and could easily disappear as quickly as they arrived.
The main reason the high ground wrecks are still there is due to their remoteness and challenging terrain (certainly of too much bother for scrap metal merchants). In my opinion, the wrecks are far more poignant in situ where they have been for over 50 years. If parts are significant enough to be recovered, why not donate them to local or aviation museums? I struggle to see why twisted fragments and parts need to be removed to become part of a ‘collection’ for the sole pleasure of the ‘owner’.
I’m in agreement with Meddle and Wyvernfan here. I live in the Dark Peak and run past many of the wrecks up there throughout the year; some of which have shrunk in size in the 10 years I’ve been here. Since many wrecks are way off the beaten track, they require a determined effort to get to; often a serious amount of walking. I’m yet to see any scrappies up on the Moors. However, as has already been alluded to, there are plenty of posts on here of various remnants and ‘collections’ from self-appointed ‘guardians’. I really don’t see why anybody has to possess and own pieces and fragments of wrecks, which, ultimately, are most likely to be disposed of by relatives in the most convenient manner when the ‘owner’ has passed on. Why not just leave them where they are where they have more significance? After all a number of wrecks have small memorials at the site, often with the consent of the pilots’ families.