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October 10, 2016 at 3:16 pm in reply to: Iran: J-10 or MiG-29? #2202111

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Biggest issue would be the J-10 engines. If the MiG-29 is competing, why would Russia agree to provide engines for an export J-10? JF-17/FC-1 has a Russian engine but it is sold as a lower budget plane and Russia doesn’t compete in that market. Only recently did the PLAAF started testing 2x J-10B with WS-10B.

And don’t forget, the newer J-10 versions, the J-10B and J-10C are not for export. In contrast MiG-29K, MiG-35 are all available for export. So no comparison.

that is a shame only the old j-10s are being marketed. it is simply not competitive with what the US, Europe and Russia are offering

October 9, 2016 at 3:01 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2202547

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J-20 vs J-31 difference in the flight characteristics of the aircraft is negligible, 5 – 9%

flight characteristics of what? how did you find 5-9%?

October 9, 2016 at 3:37 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2202803

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The article is nonsense. You’re better off forgetting everything it says and start from scratch.

J-20 is a heavy air superiority fighter, J-31 a mid weight air superiority fighter. The best analogy is Su-27 and MiG-29. Yes the J-20 does have much more range and payload and therefore has more growth potential as a strike aircraft.

For a geographically large country with distant threats it makes more sense to invest in the heavy fighter. Exactly the reason the Russians have negelected the Fulcrum for so long in favor of the Flanker. This had nothing to do with the Flanker being inferior at air combat maneuvering, quite the opposite.

The J-31 is unimpressive for one reason: its an early tech demonstrator. AFAIK Shenyang never built a real prototype. The YF-22 isn’t all that impressive compared to LRIP J-20s. It certainly has great potential. It is essentially what Lockheed Martin would have designed for the F-35 project if there was no VTOL requirement forcing major compromise on the design. But for it to reach its potential there is a very long road ahead and right now there’s no apparent domestic interest to keep it going.

that is sad that j-31 got so far, only to die a death with no funding

October 9, 2016 at 3:36 am in reply to: for the future of the KzAF, pak-fa or j-31 #2202804

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They have received a mass of Russian S-300s for AD, they are buying Su-30 (at internal Russian prices), Yak-130s, Mi-35s, and intend to buy the follow ups from Russia for almost all those.
They have also signed on to the major Russian security and economic pacts in the region, usually as the 2nd most important nation within the org.

I think it is pretty clear what direction Kazakhstan has chosen, and its not angling towards the F-35 or some Chinese generic “5th gen” whose characteristics are rather dubious.
Being able to afford the F-35 alone would rule it out, even if we ignore the impossibility of it for other reasons.

None of this has stopped Kazakhstan from buying some stuff from other, non-CIS parties, and I am sure they will take whatever the US can donate (already did with some helos IIRC), but the F-35 is not something the US will give away nilly willy.
Having them in Kazakhstan would ensure Russian intelligence access to them as well.

Btw, speaking of Kazakhstan’s AF, there is a crisis going on with the An-74s they ordered from Ukraine, being severely delayed and potentially cancelled.

yes you bring up the right points.
Kazakhstan buying non Russian stuff isn’t about political realignment. its just getting things that may be better than what Russia or Ukraine offers or can’t offer.
the An-74 issues has a lot to do with the Russian Ukraine war. Quite honestly, for the other ex-Soviet countries, we really wish Ukraine and Russia did not come to this as almost all of us have good relations with both countries.

October 8, 2016 at 5:35 am in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2203242

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After the next generation enters service in say the 2030s J-20 exports are conceivable. Could Pakistan afford it even then is another story.

The J-31 is not attractive for PLAAF for a number of reasons, among which its relatively short range does not meet Chinese needs. They would be better off buying as many J-20s as they could afford and upgrading legacy platforms. Plus if rumors are to be believed they have as many as two stealth bomber programs underway so budgets are constrained. The Navy also prefers a heavy fighter.

If the J-31 is to be built there would need to be stronger foreign interest from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, maybe Egypt and soon. I can see it as a budget stealth fighter using off the shelf systems from the J-10. Nowhere near as sophisticated as the F-35, but can give it a run for its money and turn the tables on gen 4.5. Right now its future is quite bleak. Maybe China can sell it off to someone at the early stages of their own gen 5 program.

Pakistan’s economy is quite weak.

but for the Chinese navy, if something heavy, then a navalized j20?

October 8, 2016 at 5:32 am in reply to: for the future of the KzAF, pak-fa or j-31 #2203245

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They aren’t looking at any 5th gens right now, lets be realistic.

They are hoping to slowly fill out a few dozen Su-30SM as the budget allows for next ~5 years at the least.
They also mentioned they are interested in Su-35, but that is longer term.

I doubt that will suddenly go Chinese after that either.
If Russia is kind enough to sell T-50 @ domestic prices close to 2030, it is the only sensible option.

I think you need to read Kazakh defense papers first before assuming these things.

October 8, 2016 at 3:41 am in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2203258

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Ohh my beacon..

You just like attention don’t you. Here, I am going to give you all you want. (Or maybe you are actually trying this webpage to have more hits 🙂 good job!)

Deino never said it is 19 or 18 meter for J-20. Don’t BS. It is here, everyone sees it. He said it is around 20.5.

You claimed it was 23 meters! Just two pages ago. It is still there everyone can go and look.

My guess is it is around 20.5 meters. Shorter than a Su-27 and Su-33 but longer than F-22. Since you are now ok with it being around 21 meters. We have not much to discuss, actually. Half a meter do not matter that much for me. Does it for you? 😀

We have to just wait… 🙂

who cares about the length. I don’t see why you guys went two pages arguing over a 2 meter difference.

what I want to know is

will the j-20 ever be made for export (like say to Pakistan).

and are the rumors true the Chinese don’t want the J-31?
and if so why?

this is more interesting

October 7, 2016 at 3:06 pm in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2203565

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Very cool. Still suspicious about the engine choice though.
I have flown in Yak-52 many times, gonna be sad to see them go.

The old and the new:

privet my Russian friends.
I hope we also receive these trainers because we were very close to going a european or turkish option!

October 7, 2016 at 3:04 pm in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2203568

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indeed, everyone here has posted satellite pictures and side by side comparisons to show that it is roughly 22meters

you on the other hand can’t even back up your claim, my flat earther friend.
no analysis
no pictures
nothing but “its wrong and that’s that”

it is closer to 21, but certainly not 18

October 7, 2016 at 3:03 pm in reply to: for the future of the KzAF, pak-fa or j-31 #2203571

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J-31 is a bad airplane

probably has low range because it uses rd-33 or 93s, and no fuel tanks

its been noted to have poor thrust. Chinese aircraft are known to be underpowered which is why they are so long.

some of the members here like deino or lazy guy will want to convince you other wise

but in reality, even the Chinese don’t want it.

it’s a monkey plane given to countries they don’t want to give their best things to. similar to the mbt-2000 and fc-1.
in other words its an intentionally designed 2nd rate plane designed for 2nd rate air forces.

i don’t consider kazakhstan a 2nd rate air force.

i see. but I dont think the pakfa also has fuel tanks designed yet.
the j20 looks large and long enough to have lots of internal fuel though

October 7, 2016 at 1:43 pm in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2203622

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I’m not interested in the debate about J-20 length, but every reference I have ever seen about the length of a Su-27 agrees……

Su-27 Length (without probe) 21.94m

Su-33 Length (without probe) 21.185m (shorter tailboom)

Su-34 Length (without probe) 23.3m (longer tailboom and radome)

The reason that the 1/48 scale Academy Su-27 model is too short is because they took the overall length figure as including the probe.

Ken

I have an uncle who works in the Kazakh air force, those seem pretty right.
on Chinese websites, the j-20 is cited between 21 to 22 meters, several official documentation confirm that
one of them was featured on a poster
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