India has built several destroyers.

The exact number is the big 3

This thread will most surely result in another one of those scintilating flame wars charcterised by personal attacks, trolls, debates about poverty, communism, racist slurs, monkeys from down under and what not.

No thread has to be like that its the pople who make it like that. That you said these hings will happen you are thinking what to say already?

Why cant people just post numbers?

Neptune you haven’t even asnwered my wquestion.

Why did the russians need a computer for its milling machine? To regulate the RPM?. I dont really see the actual need for the milling machine to be used combined wih a pentium I(if even that). I am thinking more on the lines on the actualy drill used. The japanese propably came up with a new type of materil to make the drill thing out of. Not putting down the soviet stell factory but it was kind of limited in creativity

PS: I have seen many propellors and that is no way 1/2 a year. It might be the cheap materials used but no way a good quality propellor will look like that after 1/2 a year. Also what type of boat is that?. It might be the regular use of speeds higher than 20knots

I know why they wanted it to be smooth. I thought it was more to do with the sound then the strength of the propellor. A submarine has a over hual every X amount of years

What was the material?. a mix of carbon + nickel other things.?

Milling machines? Can someone please tell me what they are?

The particular miling machines we are talking about is to make mircoscopic drills into the blades so they dont supercavitate like a bitch. The russians at that time had crude machines(drill +microscope?)

Chinawhite, is that Sankt-Petersburg propellor really what a prop would have to look like?

No. showing him what a seven blade propellor is.

Sorry but i have not linked you to any chinese sites. I do not link people to sites becauses i have my own opinion. Not some google BS, that some members do *cough* Austin *cough*

I dont need some chinese site to tell you this, only a quote from crobato

“Which Foxtrot can fire AshMs underwater, has anecholic tiles, digital command systems, and 7 bladed skewed propeller?”

According to you. what makes the foxtrot a better submainre. No “indian navy uses it” “look how long it served” argment?. The mentioned proven specs of the Song class is more than engough to make it a better submainre than the Foxtrot. The Song offers better performace than the Foxtrot(owning to its superior design). Is able to fire Ashms and even better still under water. Has a better Command and control system than a Kilo class submainre.

Whos stats are better?. The only lead the Foxtrot has in in its age

“Your is a Typical Case of ” ALICE IN WONDERLAND ” phenomena “

If i match the capabilites of the Song and the Foxtrot the Song id the superior submarine. Not only in electric gear but its acustic signiture and it power projection. I think you are the one having wet dreams about the mircle Foxtrot which india cannot replace.

Why would a county want to still keep old submarines?. Becauses they are the most capable submarines they can get?. No. Becauses india has a ood feeling that some of the componets are indian? maybe.

But the ony reason i can think of is the finanical difficulty finding replacings without leaving a hole in the indian navies cpabilities

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Your article says nothing about it being a better sonar. It even gives the stats of the sonar which are quite average. This is funny seeing as how you linked me to this site which says squat about indias sonar being better than any other radar. Sorry but if you want to prove something use facts to prove it. Dont just google a article and hope it works

It is a coming of age because its indias first(or first decent)

about Stragic affairs
unofficial Defence website, which is not endorsed or recognised by any Government or its institutions.

It is not asian affairs it is only south-asain affairs. I wouldn’t call it neatural Since its run by indians

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“You argument on Talwar , Delhi and Indian Sonar again shows your ignorance“

Talwar = Krivak III
Delhi = Sovremenny class

Now oh please Austin. Prove me wrong here. oh please. Indian sonar i have disscused before hand

My ignorance?. I got my information from BR.
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Deny Ignorance,

Chinawhite

Indian sonar development is one of the key sucess of the IN & DRDO, Most of the modern IN Ships Talwar,Delhi and other top of line ships.

Laugh…That is the most ignorant reply i have ever got

They choose it becauses they want to be self sufficent in this area of technology not becauses indian technology is superior. And the finanical state of the indian armed forces also comes into question.

Both Delhi and Talwar are modernized older designs.

I am questioning the 7 Blade Made In China skewed propellor , Make a 7 Blade skewed propellor is an art ,its not about if you can make it its about how good the craftman ship is when designing a skewed propellor

You sound like you made a few of these yourself :rolleyes: . Give me a outline of the process involed in making a skewed type propellor

There is no question about it. The Yuan uses a chinese designed and made propellor. In your words “speaks” volumes about chinese propellors.

Like i said before. Is your education all googled?

It did more than that.

No it didn’t. The Walker spy ring was a communication system. That was John walkers field

It requires more than milling technology to build a sub of Victor-3,Akula & Typhoon class , Its a clever Western propoganda to undermine Russia achievement in sub technology.

No. If you have a two or even three layers of acuostic tiles, the LA class populstion system but have a propellor that supercavites like a bitch. It will significantly increase your acoustic signiture.

The typhoon And Victor III are both very nosiy submainres. Not until the russians got the milling machine for japan did they actually lower their acoustic signiture.

There is no propaganda involed. The Americans even named indivual russians submainres based on the sounds they made

Please dont give me the huge list of operational Song Class

Now its a huge list?. Of wait i thought it was a failed project. Damn changed your mind that fast?

As I said , when it suites your argument its good and when it dosent the you question its realibility.

No. I have always hated janes.

From chinas supertank to the new secret superfighter to this. Always unreliable on chinese affairs.

Even if it didn’t suit me i always have at least several more sources

When I hear such arguments like Yuan is eqal to Amur and Song is equal to T-209 then I have nothing to say , I just laugh it away 😀

The members which can read have presented why the Song is a superior system. We dont just say it we prove it

You only laugh becauses you cant provide anything that states otherwise. Your arguement involes

“More popular” “india still uses it” “Its built by china”

I am sure some one here one day will claim than HAN is equal to LA class and the new Type 093 would surpass Seawolf capability.

Nope but i have seen indians claim the LCA is superior to F-35 and Arjun surpasses M1A2’s.

Until some ignorant poster does do that dont have any *** dreams about it

Indian Sonar and C&C system is preffered over Russian one speaks volume about its capability.

The volume empty

And yes Song has a TearDrop shape, TearDrop fives good underwater speed , compared to the Foxtrot design which gives does not give good speed when submerged.

The Song hull is also stream lined which is better pushing the water away instead of making the water curl like the Foxtrot hull.

Keeping a stream lined hull is important to keep the flow of water constant. The Foxtrot has a massive ball in front of its hull.

Have you seen Foxtrots move in water?

I quoted Janes on Song , Much better then quoting Wiki.

And Wikipedias source is FAS.com which was the best source of military information on the net.

While you quoted a article on Janes which i proved was false. You see the difference

Did you said stopped 😀

Are you blind?

Even If you give me the list I am sure It would put any Indian list to shame :diablo:

No

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Austin,

Do you have a clue about chinas maritine developments?

From your post it sounds like your just copying opinions from articles on the net which i assumed you googled

Since you complety blew me away with your comment about how having the capability to fire Ashms(which i am still recoving from) doesn’t matter. Why isn’t having the ability to fire Ashms not a big disadvantage?

And especially firing it while still submerged is a big capability. You stay under the water and dont have to surface to fire your missile. Big Advantge in hiding/escaping