I think item 27, which shows the number 24G…., may be part of the tailplane assembly. Again, I cannot identify the exact number in my Parts List, but there are a number with the letter G which relate to the tail fin/rudder/elevator.
Item 41 looks like a brake shoe – an indication of size would be of great help.
Air Ministry, glad to see your version of the Parts List has produced the answer.
Johan,
Air Ministry’s version of the Parts List relates, I think, to the Mk.III, Lancaster (the same as ED908), whereas my list relates to the Canadian Mk.X. Many parts are common, but others were replaced post-war by the Canadians in the few Lancasters that were then still flying, and so end up with different reference numbers.
johanb49,
I have had a look in my Parts List, but there is no reference to part number 2SS 3194 in the index. I will look to see if I can find anything similar to any of your parts amongst the illustrations. I know you are already aware of the photo-gallery on the ED908 thread where there are a number of the illustrations from the List included.
Yes, the ‘F’ references are used for wing components, but there is also an ‘F’ reference for a part in the tail fin (see post #2).
Over to Peter for any further thoughts.
Derbyhaven,
The link below takes you to an image in the ED908 photogallery. The piece you describe as Bakelite is shown in the parts list as Tufnol which is, I think, a similar type of material. Your piece looks a little like the one which is highlighted in the enlarged circle in the diagram, but the part numbers are different. As you will see this is part of the tailplane assembly. You can look at the whole photo gallery by going to the ED908 thread and clicking the links in my post #1006.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?120747-Wreckage-Of-Lancaster-ED908-(60-Z)/page34
Peter may have some further thoughts.
Could well be, Peter. I can’t see anything looking like it in the diagrams I have of the outer wing.
I wonder what the attachment with the central hole is? Perhaps, a conduit for electric cable or for a moving part? And what material is is made of?
Derbyhaven, I think this is wing related. The thickness of the metal would suggest this and the ‘F’ numbers were used for wing components.
My Parts List does not have the exact number, but these varied over time. For example: 1/F4756 was the Fairing for stabiliser of fin LH, and 5/F4752 was the Control rod and lever assembly.
Maybe somebody with a different version of the Parts List might spot your number?
Yes, Hennie, we have a similar panel from ED908, but, unlike yours, the hole in ours was cut by a local resident to provide space for a chimney for some unidentified agricultural/farming use!!! We can tell this because there are no rivet holes around it!!
There is a diagram for your piece in figure 6 of the index to parts found section of the photo-gallery of the ED908 thread. The link is on the thread (post #1006).
Hi Hennie,
The Parts Manual listing describes the round hole an an Inspection Door.
Many thanks OneEighthBit. I have seen pictures of these on parachute packs, but maybe they were used for other purposes on the aircraft – securing the navigator’s curtains, perhaps?
Items 94 and 95
Laurent has found another couple of small items. The first (94) is a fastener such as found on a parachute pack. Further examples have been found at locations 1 and 4. The second (95) is a connector which, judging by its shape and comparing it with other pieces found, may be pneumatic or for the oxygen supply system, rather than hydraulic or fuel related. If anyone recognizes this, I would be glad to hear. I am assuming that there is no part number visible or Laurent would have let me know.
The pictures have been added to the photo-gallery but I have not yet updated the index.
Photo-gallery:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=BCF75E8AD40ADF0D!164&authkey=!AJrxfdmdr6MXSdw&ithint=folder%2cjpg
Index to parts found and annotated illustrations:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=bcf75e8ad40adf0d!1426&authkey=!AAJOZyTYrN-x0CQ&ithint=folder%2cjpg
Thanks for your confirmation, Peter. Just to satisfy my own curiosity, would I be right in saying that the CSU cable would not be enclosed in steel in order to save weight in the power plant?
Laurent has corrected one of my comments. I said that the threaded extension appeared to be held in position by a screw. In fact, this was a blemish on the steel tube! Sorry for the confusion.
Also relating to the threaded extensions, a look at the photos indicates that the thread is 32 per inch which fits with a 5/32 inch standard BSW fitting.
To round this off – an added bonus!
In the attached picture (courtesy of the FM212 restoration project and acknowledged with thanks) the tie rods look a good match for item 92. While I was checking on the Parts List for illustrations of the flying control tie rods, I had a closer look at one of the sprocket boxes in the photo with the nuts showing split pins. This reminded me of an earlier find which remained unidentified, and it turns out that there is a perfect match for the inboard sprocket box centre plate. This was found in the area where the main fuselage came to rest at location 1, and first appeared as item W6(H) in post #22. Photos are attached, and I have updated the photo gallery and index.
Photo-gallery:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=BCF75E8AD40ADF0D!164&authkey=!AJrxfdmdr6MXSdw&ithint=folder%2cjpg
Index to parts found and annotated illustrations:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=bcf75e8ad40adf0d!1426&authkey=!AAJOZyTYrN-x0CQ&ithint=folder%2cjpg
Item 92
I attach another picture of item 92, viewed from three angles.
The threaded extension appears to have a small screw near the end of the rod to hold it in place (bottom left). The white coloured filling is shown at the bottom right.
Laurent tells me that his photographic equipment is not sufficiently powerful to enable a sharply focussed close-up view of the serial number to be obtained, so sorry Peter, the numbering cannot be viewed further for potential distorted impressions.
The threaded extension is 3.75 mm in diameter (a little less than 5/32 inch ??) but it does not appear to have a metric thread – Laurent has checked with a measuring device – so he assumes that this is an Imperial unit (inches) size. If so, this would suggest that it did come from the aircraft.
Peter, I have found a diagram showing the fuelcock tie rod you referred to in the Parts List (Fig.144-10). Unfortunately, it does not give any measurements. It is possible that this could be the location on the aircraft of what has been found, although there are similar parts for the throttle and airscrew controls (Fig.141- 29/30/31).
If this is a flying control tie rod, it seems most likely not to have come from the pilot’s area in the main fuselage, but from the leading edge of the wing.
Peter, yes, good idea, it occurred to me that might help – I have asked if Laurent can supply a close-up view.
I am also wondering whether the white material Laurent describes could be coagulated grease? I have no idea what that would look like after 70 years under the ground!
Item 92
Laurent has confirmed to me that the part number in my earlier post should have read 900 W 110 VY12, not 900 W 110 VYR. I have edited this in the original post.
Readers of this thread with long memories may remember that back in October 2013, Laurent was digging a hole to clear accumulated rubbish at the corner of the forest in an effort to find an engine which might have fallen with the undercarriage (Post #393 – page 14). Eventually it was concluded that the crater had probably been created by a bomb, and not the falling aircraft. Apparently the local authorities have asked that the hole now be filled in for safety reasons. In the course of carrying out this remedial work, item 92 was found. It is therefore possible that someone may have found the piece and thrown it into the accumulated rubbish. It could therefore originally have fallen elsewhere, but probably fairly close by.
It appears that the threaded extension does not slide along the tube. There is a white element, like wax or plaster, between the threaded piece and the outer tube. Is this how a tie rod from the flying controls might have been constructed? And is it the right size?
Peter, I have had another look at the Parts Listing. I can see many places in which tie rods are situated: in the engine control pedestal, and in the chain linkage from it, including, as you say, in the fuelcock controls in the leading edge of the wing. If this is what we have, we will not be able to identify it specifically, unless someone recognizes the part number – could this perhaps be an inspection mark plus 11/O ..12?
As always, further comments on this and the other recent finds are welcome, and would be much appreciated.