Many thanks for your efforts, Peter. Your suggestion could well be right as it seems likely from where it was found that it might have come from the main fuselage. Our piece is asymmetric with the left corner larger than the right, so maybe a little distinctive? Do you have a picture or diagram of the piece you mention which would confirm this?
If we have no luck, I can perhaps try to see if the RAF Hendon library has any record of the number, or something similar.
Here is Laurent’s photograph of the marking on the bracket found at location 78. It is affected by corrosion but seems to read 3SK 10374 as previously suggested, although the numbers are not wholly clear. There is also what seems to be a partial oval Avro R3 mark where the three additional numbers are missing.
Peter, Laurent doesn’t think his camera is sufficiently good to picture the small markings on the bracket, but I have asked him to give it a try. He has had another look and says that the number still looks like 3SK 10374. I suppose the ‘3SK’ could be ’35K’? Are there any remotely similar numberings in your list? It might be better to concentrate on the ‘10374’ or close variations?
In the meantime he confirms that the markings on the two castellated nuts must be ’11Q’.
That’s a shame, Peter. What has become apparent is that the markings are not always crystal clear. For example Laurent’s reading of ‘HO’ on item 78 turned out to be ’11Q’ – just a scratch between the two 1s and a blurred tail to the Q made all the difference! 5 and S must frequently be indistinguishable if slightly distorted, and a 9 can easily look like an 8 with a rough surface, etc, etc. Maybe Laurent’s ‘3SK’ should read ‘3SS’ which might make more sense?? But were the following digits normally only four in number? If so, maybe ‘10374’ needs a bit more head-scratching!!
I have asked Laurent if he can send me a photograph of the cleaned side of the bracket with the number, but this may not help any further.
You mentioned that the green paint meant that the piece was likely to come from the centre section. Am I right in saying that the front of the interior fuselage was usually painted black (to assist with night-vision?), and that the rest of the interior fuselage was usually green? Pictures I have seen suggest that pipework (and other metalwork) along the wing leading edge was also painted green. If so, we have a wide choice for our piece!!
Peter,
Laurent has cleaned the piece and removed the green paint and just as you hoped, a number appeared – 3SK 10374.
Does this help?
Peter, all items at location 78 were found close together near the edge of the forest where the main fuselage came to rest, so you could well be right.
Peter, I have asked Laurent to have another look to see if there is any trace of a part number.
Peter,
Thanks for your comments. Laurent has been very good at providing part numbers where they are legible, so I suspect that there is nothing more that would help.
I don’t know why the second picture won’t load. It was fine when I tried it just now. If you are still having trouble, maybe you could click on the link provided at the bottom of my last post, and then on the image in the gallery, or scroll through the slideshow?
It is now very nearly two years since I made the first posting on this thread and I am pleased to say that Laurent has just found a few new items to celebrate the anniversary!
The first group in location 78 includes a castellated joint which I have managed to identify from my few pages of AP2062A&C Vol.3 Pt.1 as a ¾ inch union from the centre section hydraulic system (8SS.3550). Laurent shows there is an Avro marking R3 927 and another mark which looks like ‘HO599’. Another similar piece was found at location 49 where a mark was thought to read ‘11Q589’. Having looked at the page on the listing, I think both these marks are in fact probably meant to be ‘11Q599’ – a ¾ inch nut which is part of the joint.
Does anyone recognise the triangular piece underneath the union?
At location 79 there are several pieces including another fragment of rounded stiffener and a washer (8R 2060). This is almost identical to the washer previously found at location 58 nearby which was numbered 7R 2060. Both come from the flap operating tube on the outer wing trailing edge of what is thought to be the port wing.
Peter,
I have just seen your post #12 on the “Unknown Lancaster parts?” thread. I think this may have identified one of the parts found at location 74. Our piece appears identical to the piece you have said is either a panel fastener from the engine cowling or possibly from the oil tank level or fuel filler access panels. Given the other pieces found nearby, my guess is that our item 74 (post #769) which seems to be unmarked, and which is pictured in enlarged detail below, is most likely to be from the engine cowling.
Trumper, Charliehunt,
You may be interested in the attached diagram of the central area based on the original airfield site plan which I prepared following my visit last year.
The buildings marked in red were those still standing. Those in orange had been demolished within the previous ten years or thereabouts. Those in blue were newly erected. Those uncoloured had long since disappeared.
It seems from your photos, Trumper, that we must now add another to the list of recently demolished – No.39, the Squadron CO’s Office. It has disappeared from between buildings No. 40, the Armoury Maintenance Unit, and No.38, the Squadron & Flight Office in the last of the pictures in your first post.
The Control Tower and adjacent buildings (your fourth and fifth pictures) are off to the left of my plan and the two Salvage Stores, No.169 and 170 – originally Robin Hangars (your sixth picture) are off the top right of the plan. I think these were near (or may have been part of) the buildings at one time occupied by Colton Aviation which Moggy refers to.
The seventh picture shows one of the Main Stores (No.10) almost certainly renovated, and No.46, the one-time Maintenance Staff Block, under the tree.
The eighth shows building No.52, the Gas Defence Centre, and the ninth, building No.59, the Armoury.
Did you get any pictures along the northern edge (building No.7, the Guard House) or at the south-west corner (buildings No.69 and 70, the Crew Locker and Drying Rooms)? It would be interesting to know if they are also still standing – they seemed to be occupied by tenants of what is now the industrial estate when I was there.
Trumper, some great pictures to compare with those I took about 18 months ago. A shame to see how much the Control Tower has deteriorated.
Yesterday, a Service of Thanksgiving was conducted in memory of Jim Foulsham’s widow, Stella, who died, aged 92, two weeks after our return from France in July. She had not been well enough to travel to see the unveiling of the memorial to the crew of ED908, piloted by her husband, but it is comforting to know that she heard about the event from her daughter and saw some photos after our return to England.
My thanks to FlyPast where a short article about the memorial to the crew has been included in the November issue.
Larry, AP2062A & C, Volume 1 is “The Lancaster Manual” in the RAF Museum series with narrative and diagrams. AP2062 A & C, Volume 3 contains the Lancaster part listings. Extracts from this (not all) are available from the RAF Museum Hendon library. AP1086, to the extent it would be useful, seems very elusive. You will see some discussion about this on the ED908 thread starting at post #119 on page 4 – you seem to be following the same trail!
Larry, as you say, AP1086 is the parts listing. Complete copies seem to be non-existent. As I recollect, a copy in the National Archives is for an early version, and so not terribly helpful for wartime use. The RAF Museum at Hendon has some extracts. If you have a specific part number you are looking for, post it on the Forum and you may be lucky. Otherwise the RAF Hendon library may help.