dark light

BobKat

Forum Replies Created

Viewing 15 posts - 556 through 570 (of 912 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #979547
    BobKat
    Participant

    Items 49 and 51A

    Yes, we have had a good success rate on the last batch – a great combined international effort with input from France, Canada and the UK!!

    I suppose there would have been a similar arrangement as in 51A for the bomb bay jacks? Does this piece have a technical name? Or should I simply describe it as ‘hydraulic connection for undercarriage jack’? As a reminder it bore the number 35795 or 35785.

    I have just had a flash of inspiration for our item 49 (probably ill-founded)! These pieces were found not far from item 47, the frame for the landing gear locking mechanism (post #504). I have had a closer look at AP2062A and found a diagram hidden away in the section for Instructions for ground personnel, which gives a close-up view of the frame with the turnbuckle arrangement showing the locking catch in position with the undercarriage retracted. The pieces in 49 look as if they might be part of the turnbuckle – any thoughts, anyone?

    I have posted the earlier pictures alongside for ease of reference. Laurent had thought the top item in the “uncleaned” picture was part of the engine sub-frame, but I am now wondering whether it might be one of the undercarriage strut braces. The piece was too big for Laurent easily to clean electrolytically, so it remains in its original state.

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #980058
    BobKat
    Participant

    Item 51A

    Laurent is convinced!

    Hydraulic oil passes through the spindle: Hinged bearing visible on the spindle: Fixing points with the flat (end)

    BobKat
    Participant

    Hennie,

    I understand that ND856 was from 83 Sqn and ND527 from 630 Sqn. Have you searched the Squadron Operations Record Books of the two squadrons for July 1944 to see if there is anything recorded there? These can be downloaded on line as I assume a visit to Kew will be impractical for you, but perhaps you have already done this?

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #980270
    BobKat
    Participant

    Thanks, Peter. Yes, they do help as they give a slightly different detail to that in AP2062A. I was thinking that our ‘spindle’ might be part of the piece shown protruding to the right in the left hand picture. However, it is pictured with fewer holes than the end of our piece, and I don’t know whether there might have been minor manufacturing variations if your manual shows the Mk X version. But without an interior view of what is behind the upper end of the jack, it is impossible to be certain.

    Another one for the “too difficult” box?

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #980666
    BobKat
    Participant

    Matching brake shoe linings

    Laurent has confirmed that the two pieces 51 and 51A both have diameters of about 33 to 35 mm – much as I thought. Having positively identified 51 (thanks again Peter – a lot of effort went into that!), our spindle (51A) seems too large to be a locking pin in the retracting strut locking mechanism but, by a process of elimination after looking at a number of photos, I wonder whether it might be part of the attachment for the upper end of the hydraulic jack, as you thought was a possibility in your post #484, Peter? The diagram in AP2062A does not quite give enough detail, but it certainly looks to be a possibility.

    I had high hopes that the cleaned-up pieces numbered 49 might be identified. I can’t see them obviously anywhere in the undercarriage retracting mechanism (could they be engine related?), but I think I will have to assume these and the other recent photos remaining unidentified are now a lost cause.

    Following my comments on the brake shoes and linings, Laurent has provided the attached photos. The wear patterns are well-preserved and can be matched. These show that the two pairs must have come from different brake drums – one from the starboard undercarriage which came down with the main fuselage (presumably 53/54) and the other from the port wing which fell separately after the mid-air explosion (presumably the two found after Laurent’s dig at location 12). Given what has now been found, I am beginning to have doubts about finding anything else at the bottom of the hole. The parts of the undercarriage found seem to be too widely scattered to indicate something substantial is still buried there, but who knows? Maybe something will turn up – we will have to wait and see.

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #981537
    BobKat
    Participant

    Peter, most helpful – much appreciated. It seems to me that the items in photo 49 may also be part of the landing gear – they have a similar look now that they have been cleaned up. Item 51A could be the switch operating pin, but it is difficult to see just how the other pieces might fit in without pictures of each of the individual components, which will be too much to hope for!! Anyway, I think we can safely say that Laurent has definitely found pieces of the landing gear assembly which he had been hoping to find in location 12. A bit more forensic work required!!

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #981686
    BobKat
    Participant

    Peter, that would be great. Laurent will be delighted with the news.

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #981698
    BobKat
    Participant

    Peter – you really have been working hard!! Many thanks indeed. With your prompting, I have found item 51 in the diagram in AP2062A, but this seems to leave item 51A unresolved, although the two pieces appear very similar in nature. Could this also be part of the landing gear oleo I wonder?

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #981710
    BobKat
    Participant

    Thanks again, Peter. Looking at Laurent’s tape measure, the diameter of the iron rivetted part (51) is a little over 3cm or about 1.25 inches. The spindle (51A) is about the same.

    In the meantime Laurent has confirmed that the brake shoes found in location 12 do indeed have a different wear pattern from those in locations 53 and 54. So he seems to have found pieces from both wheel drums!

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #981887
    BobKat
    Participant

    Thanks, Peter.

    Laurent has found another piece at location 51, similar to our ‘spindle’, 51A (post #480). It has iron rivets and an aluminium alloy interior. Whether or not this helps any further towards identifying the spindle, I do not know. A picture is attached with some enlarged detail.

    The pictures of the brake shoes with their linings from locations 53 and 54 show similar wear marks confirming that, as might have been expected, they were from the same wheel. It is a little difficult to compare these with the pair found at location 12, but the pattern does not seem to be quite the same, suggesting we have parts from both the wheels. Laurent may be able to confirm from a closer inspection.

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #983022
    BobKat
    Participant

    Many thanks, Peter – I have found a picture of a K-Gass priming pump which appears identical, and I have found its location on the aircraft from the fuel system diagram in AP 2062A. A great start to the latest batch of photos!

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #983304
    BobKat
    Participant

    New items and old ones cleaned up

    Laurent has been busy once more. He has cleaned some of the pieces numbered 49 and a new picture is attached for possible identification. Item 54 (not pictured) is another brake shoe. Item 55 includes a circular piece, the number on which is difficult to read: it may be R3/P1888. The bottom item in 56 has a number DP 19 ? The middle item is also shown separately, enlarged, and is intriguing. It has two arrows on the forked end pointing in opposite directions. The photo partly conceals the number which appears to be 1942. Any ideas please, anybody?

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #989653
    BobKat
    Participant

    Thanks for your further comments WV-903 and an interesting thought, Richard gray. Many thanks for entering the fray – this one does not seem to want to lie down just yet – it looks as if I may be browsing more photographs for a little while longer!!

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #989830
    BobKat
    Participant

    Thanks for trying, Peter. I suppose it is always possible that there were slight variations in the Mark III and Mark X versions of the aircraft, or that there might have been some replacement of a damaged part with a non-standard fitting? Unless someone has a sudden inspiration, it is probably not worth pursuing this one further. We have an access panel, measuring about 9 inches along the side with the two fasteners, and with a third fastener opposite on a flange (possibly for fitting a chain) from an unknown location!

    in reply to: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) #989987
    BobKat
    Participant

    Peter, you are working really hard on this one! Maybe we are beginning to narrow it down a little – a two-fastener panel with a chain attachment – but where???

Viewing 15 posts - 556 through 570 (of 912 total)