Many thanks, Peter. The lack of a hinge on our piece clearly rules those two possibilities out. I note that some of the panels on the top side of the wing have chains attached. I wonder whether that was the function of our third fastener?
Yes, looking at your latest picture, you are right – we both have the needle-blade type!
Have a look at picture #28 in post #129 (page 5) on the ED908 thread. I think you will see the difference – your blades seem to be much more rounded. The comparison is a little difficult as we only have the propeller blade tip.
Picture now attached for ease of reference. Hmmm – perhaps not quite such an obvious a difference as I thought, although ours do seem to be more angled!
Interesting to see the difference between your “paddle-blade” propeller and our “needle-blade” – we only have one tip surviving (at least thus far!).
Hennie,
Marvellous to see these pieces. I would guess that the tan colour is part of the camouflage paintwork. It is interesting to see what remains of the undercarriage compared with what we have from ED908. We have bits and pieces scattered – you have a substantial part which was not buried on impact. This makes me think that whatever large pieces remained of ours were removed from our crash site long ago.
Peter, I guess this is going to remain a bit of a mystery – many thanks for all your thoughts. I agree that there is little doubt that both the panels we have considered only have two fasteners visible from the exterior, but is it possible that they had a third on the interior, not visible from the outside of the aircraft and not appearing in the diagram? The panels would have had to have been secured at their base by some means, albeit that it is difficult to tell just what this would have been. If anyone else can add anything to these thoughts, I would be very grateful to hear.
Peter, in the top of the two pictures you can see a black dot (a hole) to the left of the right hand fastener and in the equivalent position to the right of the left hand fastener there is a rivet head. Very difficult to make out, but they are definitely there. The positions are reversed in the lower picture where the rivet head is visible on the right.
As you say, we have three fasteners, two on the main panel surface, and the other in the centre of the flange which is at a right-angle to the panel which would not be visible from the outside. What I am struggling to understand is how the base of the panel was fixed to the fuselage. The top was presumably fixed by the two fasteners, but what was the method of fixing the lower part? This would require some sort of fastening?
Sorry to prolong the discussion over our panel piece, but I am trying to get my non-engineering brain into gear. I attach an extract from the diagram of the outboard engine showing the access panel with its two fasteners. Let us assume for the sake of discussion that this is our piece, although what follows might equally well apply to the one on the underside of the wing for the picketing shackle point in my post #515. The diagram is obviously shown in only one dimension and the two fastening points at the top in the diagram match ours. But this would not be sufficient to secure the panel in place, and there must have been something at the base (such as a flange?) to provide another (hinged?) anchor point. Is this not what we see in our piece?
Laurent has just e-mailed me point out that are two small rivets positioned between the two corner fasteners – these are just visible in the photos in post #513 – these may have secured an identification ‘label’ such as can be seen in a different position in the picture in post #515. Size is also relevant – our piece is about 22cm (or about 9 inches) wide. If the size is right, everything seems to point towards us having found the access panel on the outboard engine cowling. Could this be right?
Laurent is also satisfied that the supercharger clutch shaft bearing seems to have been correctly identified.
Looks ver much the same Bob.. The panel yo uare referring to might be the oil tank filler panel? It only has 2 fasteners though I think..?
Peter, it looks as if we may have solved the question of the roller bearing, but I am still confused about our panel. Are we saying that it is a panel, but we can’t identify from where (as it has three, not two, fasteners – one of which, I assume, would not be visible from the exterior?) Or are we saying that we are not sure that it is a panel and that it might be something else?
WV-903, according to the information I have it is from the supercharger gears.
Picture attached with acknowledgements to FM104 project. The right-hand picture needs to be rotated approximately 90 degrees to the right to see the comparison. I think the clutch shaft in the left picture is at the top of the right picture.
Peter, WV-903, before giving you a chance to consider my suggestion about the inspection panel in my previous post, while looking through pictures of the restoration of FM104 I came across a picture from which the attached is a detail. This is the clutch shaft and it looks remarkably like our item 40A (post #445 – attached again for ease of reference), except that the brass ring on ours has holes in it. Is this perhaps our answer?
Peter, what about the inspection panel on the outboard engine? The diagram in AP 2062A (Section 5, Figure 3) shows a panel with two fasteners in the right position?
What is puzzling me is why (if this is an inspection panel) there is a third fastener, and why the sides are riveted with protrusions on the inner side – what is being attached to what?
Many thanks for the additional information, WV-903. As you say, the picture continues to build.
Thanks for checking, Peter. It seems we may be in the right ball park – the shape is right, but nothing quite matches. Is the golden hue as a result of oil, I wonder? I suppose there may have been wartime variations to cope with damaged parts?
But is the third one on the flanged edge a fastener or something else? And would the panels have a flanged edge?