Let me start by saying I have no time whatsoever for “conspiracy theories!” 😀
I have been studying the available evidence (including those links supplied by Creaking Door), and my opinions haven’t changed!
My belief is that the aircraft crashed out-of-control after an attempt by the passengers to retake the ‘plane. Whether or not the hijackers crashed it deliberately (when they realised they had little chance against those passengers) is still a matter of conjecture and will continue to be so until the FBI release the CVR recording.
This recording is still that vital, missing piece of evidence. Until that tape is released, unfortunately these wild & wacky theories will continue to circulate.
Don
9/10.
Looks like I definitely need to get out more…:rolleyes:
9/10.
Looks like I definitely need to get out more…:rolleyes:
Thanks for the heads-up Roger… Please keep us posted! :):):)
Is this the one where there are 2 x 500lb. bombs still on board?
Some of my thoughts:
…In the North West / Midlands Police reords seem to be non-existant. I have requested information from Cheshire, Derbyshire and South Yorkshire and non of them have any war time records. They are meant to be held at the County Records Office but when I contacted Derbyshire they didn’t have any and there is nothing on the Cheshrie CRO catalogue that looks likely….
I have found that to be the case with Nottinghamshire Police too. Nothing in the CRO catalogue for Nottinghamshire looks likely either.
…Only a handful of allied aircraft were reported in newspapers, they tended to be the one that crashed in built up areas. Usually though the censor wouldn’t allow mention of location. Even Luftwaffe crashes were censored to some degree. A piece about an He111 that was shot down close to here in 1941 didn’t say much about its location…
I was surprised to find that a newspaper report of one crash in Nottinghamshire (1943) involving a 25 Squadron Mosquito was not censored. It went as far as naming the street on which it crashed, but did not name the aircraft type, just referring to “an RAF plane” and went on to say that the 2 crew died.
Oddly enough, I can’t find any reference in the local archives to a 1941 crash involving a Wellington at Wilford, which just missed the village, nor to the two 30 OTU Wellingtons that crashed on the same night at opposite ends of the city; one in Arnold and one (again) at Wilford.
Like Alan says, the local archives can be very “hit and miss.”
(If a full investigation was held into a particular loss, wasn’t it noted on the Form 1180?)
Thanks for sharing that, Moggy. A thoroughly enjoyable read.
A ride in NX611 is something that is on my list of things to do… I am approaching a “milestone” birthday, so who knows?! It may happen very soon!
Seriously though, East Kirkby is a place that is so full of atmosphere, and conjures up so many different emotions as you walk around.
The Watch Office is something else – This may sound strange – but that building has a “presence.”
A big “Thank You” also goes to the Panton Brothers.
If any reader has not yet visited East Kirkby, what are you waiting for? 😀
Don
I’m an AC-130 Gunship too… Who writes this stuff?! :D:D
Airliners.net – 15/20.
Has anyone noticed the other quizzes?
“Are you going to Hell when you die?”
“How will you die?”
“What flavour are you?” (Oh, please… :rolleyes: Sour. I knew that anyway!)
Don
I’m an AC-130 Gunship too… Who writes this stuff?! :D:D
Airliners.net – 15/20.
Has anyone noticed the other quizzes?
“Are you going to Hell when you die?”
“How will you die?”
“What flavour are you?” (Oh, please… :rolleyes: Sour. I knew that anyway!)
Don
Oh, Jeez…
I don’t think I’ve laughed so much in ages – Or said “Ouch!” so much…
Thanks Peter! :D:D:D:D
Oh, Jeez…
I don’t think I’ve laughed so much in ages – Or said “Ouch!” so much…
Thanks Peter! :D:D:D:D
Any chance of seeing them?
I read in this months Flypast that a previously undiscovered turret had been recovered from the site, does anyone know anymore about it. For those who haven’t been there, it’s a very large crash site with large sections remaining, wings, undercarriage, engines, I’m very surprised that it can’t be detected on Google Earth.
The site is plainly visible on GE, as is another large Peak District site, Stirling LJ628 at Upper Commons. The large remains of the Stirling were recovered by The Stirling Project a few years back.
Search for either “44-61999” (Superfortress), or “LJ628” (Stirling) in GE…
Mr. Horowitz.
I am an Englishman, 47 years of age and have held a lifelong interest in military history. The more I speak to Veterans the more I realise they, like yourself, have no real idea of how important their service was. You all think that what you endured, what you achieved, was nothing out of the ordinary. Believe me Sir, the outpouring of affection towards men and women of your generation is genuine and heartfelt. If we can’t thank you all now then another few years will sadly mean it is too late.
Nothing that I have ever done or will ever do can match the intensity of those years between 1939 and 1945, but it is thanks to you that I have lived in relative peace and safety and have been allowed to live my life pretty much as I would choose. I have been allowed to make my own mistakes and have my own little triumphs. That is purely down to what happened all those years ago.
I suspect now, that like so many of your generation, there is a need to rekindle the comradeship and fellowship that carried you through those terrible years, maybe even a need to unburden yourself of memories which you only now feel can be relived, re-experienced, internalised and lived with. This is not only true of yourself but of all Veterans. There is no time, and what is more there is no need, to feel the guilt that some of today’s apologists would have you all feel. Someone started a war – YOU finished it. And made the world a better and safer place.
To you personally Mr. Horowitz, I would just like to offer you my respect and my heartfelt gratitude for all that you did. For enduring and conquering your fears, for your skill, for your courage and now, not least of all, your humility.
I can only wish you peace and happiness for your remaining years.
Kind Regards,
Kevin Mears
I’ll second that! 🙂
Thank you for your service, Mr Horowitz.
And, to all those others who also served, on land, sea or in the air – Thank you.
Don
Oh, for a time machine…:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Kerosene junkie. 27/40.
(Though I thought the Valiant was the UK’s first 4-engined jet bomber? :confused: )
Kerosene junkie. 27/40.
(Though I thought the Valiant was the UK’s first 4-engined jet bomber? :confused: )